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The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22

Jesus is Yahweh the Son?  See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT, using Jesus' words himself!
Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?

From: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:

  

Father and Son Definitions:

Definition of Key Terms (a discussion between me and a Christian):

1-  What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible?  How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below)  How does the Bible really define it?

2-  What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible? 

3-  Jesus had to at least match Melchizedek in Miracles and  Power.  See this text-debate between me and a Christian brother.

4-  Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus Yes it does.

  
  
"Father" and "Son" in Islam and the Bible:

5-  Is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22 No it isn't.  Here are some Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON":

(a)-  Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى):

  • See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.  In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the following point.   

  • (b)-  FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا):

    We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8
    "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7
    Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23
    And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

    So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

    So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.

    Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203

      
    (c)-  BEGET = CHOSE:

    Regarding the following verse, and many others like it:

    King James Bible Psalm 2:7
    I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

    [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

    ‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

    [003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

    ‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

    [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

    ‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

    [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

    ‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

    [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

    ‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

    [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

    ‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

    [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

    ‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

    [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

    ‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

    Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

    1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

    2-  Wali - Guardian.

    In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

    [005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

    Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203.
      

    6-  Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1] [2].  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

               
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           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

      

      

      

    My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "Examining Psalm 110:1" article:

    The following is a rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's article that is located at: http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/psalm110_1.htm.

      

      

    He wrote:

    Examining Psalm 110:1

    A look at Its Implications on God as a Multi-Personal Being and upon the Deity of Christ

    Sam Shamoun

    Christians often appeal to Psalm 110:1 to prove that the Hebrew Bible teaches that Yahweh is multi-Personal, that there is more than one Person who is Yahweh God, and that the Messiah is God. The text in question reads:

    "The LORD says to my Lord: ‘Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.’" NIV

    According to the Lord Jesus and the other NT writers this is a Psalm of David which he uttered in relation to Christ’s ascension into heavenly glory:

    "And as Jesus taught in the temple, he said, ‘How can the scribes say that the Christ is the son of David? David himself, in the Holy Spirit, declared, "The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet." David himself calls him Lord. So how is he his son?’ And the great throng heard him gladly." Mark 12:35-36

    "Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, ‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.’ Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified." Acts 2:33-36

    On the basis of the above texts, Christians believe that Jesus is David’s Lord since he is the Christ. And since Yahweh is David’s Lord, Jesus must therefore be Yahweh God.

     

    My response:

    Absolute lies, absurdity and blasphemy!  As I clearly proved from Hebrew in my article Do chapter Psalm 110 and Matthew 22:41-46 ("The LORD said to my Lord") prove that Jesus is the Creator of the Universe?, the text clearly means:

    "GOD (Yahweh) said to my master (Adoni)"

    Not "GOD said to my God" or "The LORD said to my Lord".  The literal translation for "Adoni" is MASTER!  Kings in the Bible were addressed as such.   Yes, Yahweh too was given this title, but like "El", and "Elohim", which also were given to every single believer in the Bible (which refutes the trinitarian lie about Isaiah 9:6 proving Jesus to be GOD for being called "El"), this title, "Adoni" is not unique to GOD Almighty!  The only unique title to GOD Almighty in the Bible is the compound name of Yahweh, which literally means "I am He"

    Even though the last quote above, "The LORD said to my Lord", would be correct as far as the English vocabularies are concerned, but because of the twisting of meanings and the evil word games that are done by the polytheist trinitarian pagans, this quote would then be further used by them to promote Jesus, the Messiah, to be GOD Almighty Himself, which is nothing but lies and blasphemy, despite the crystal clear following quotes that totally refute them:


    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/q_only_god_good_rebuttal.htm:

    As I mentioned in my other article about the Holy Spirit in Islam is a Creation of GOD Almighty, Jesus is not only "not good", but he also has the "Spirit of Fearing GOD Almighty" in him:

    Isaiah 11:1-3
    1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
    2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD
    (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
    3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

    As we see in Isaiah 11:1-3, there is:

    1-  Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding.

    2-  Spirit of Counsel and of power.

    3-  Spirit of Knowledge.

    4-  Spirit of the fear of the LORD.


    Also, the verses above say "and he will delight in the fear of the LORD", which clearly proves that Jesus is under GOD Almighty and can not be equivalent to Him or part of Him, because GOD Almighty has no fear in Him.  He Created fear, or the Spirit of Fear, and He installs it on whom ever He pleases.   But He Himself doesn't have that Spirit in Him!

    The verses above also say "He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;...", which further proves that Jesus is not part of GOD Almighty, because GOD Almighty Speaks and Hears whatever He Pleases!

    The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone.(From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

    ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 18:19)"

     

    If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

    I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.

     

    Also, another important point to notice in Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19 is the word "alone":   ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone.(From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

    ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 18:19)"

    Jesus in this verse is clearly giving exclusivity to GOD Almighty when he said "alone".  If Jesus was truly part of GOD Almighty and/or the trinity lie was true, then Jesus, to say the least, would not have said that.

     

    "Show me in the Bible where Jesus said he was not GOD!"

    I sometimes get asked by trinitarians to show them where Jesus said that he WAS NOT GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Ironically, it is like having this scenario:

    Q.  Show me where John Doe said that he was not the President of the United States!  Show me the quote now!!

    A.  He just said he works as a computer programmer you brainless idiot! :-)


    Jesus said he was not good.  He can't possibly say I am your Creator and by the way I am not good.  The question itself shows the complete ignorance about what's written in the bible and reveals the total blasphemy and darkness that polytheist trinitarian pagans are living in.

    Jesus is not GOD!  The GOD Almighty of the Old Testament BOASTS about Himself!  He countlessly reminds the Jews about Worshiping Him and only Him because He is the "One who took them out of Egypt", and He's the "One who Saved them from Pharaoh", etc...  Not only that, but He also Punishes to death anyone who profanes His Holy and Blessed Name.

    Jesus can not be this Holy and Mighty and Arrogant and Absolute GOD Almighty when he, for instance, escaped to Egypt for his life from King Herod!   The GOD Almighty's Divine Characteristics in the Old Testament can not in anyway fit Jesus who is not "good" and who runs for his life from a creation of GOD Almighty.

    For more information, please visit: Jesus had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our Creator?

     

    I have ample detailed refutations to the lie of trinity on my site.  You can further see them to clearly understand that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One and only One and not a unity or trinity as satan claims.


    Also visit:

    The early Christians rejected Trinity.   Early Christians had major problems and disagreements about who truly Jesus was and whether or not he got crucified or not.

    Early Christians' Doctrines confirm Jesus DID NOT GET crucified.  See proofs that the early Christians' scriptures during the 1st and 2nd centuries claimed that GOD Almighty Saved Jesus from crucifixion.

    The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the Old and New Testaments.    Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".


    Emanuel, Emmanuel, Yahshua, Yeshua, Yashua, Immanuel and Imanuel.  These were all "Godly" names given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  None of them is unique.   Only "Yahweh" was GOD Almighty's Unique Name.

     

     

    I can simply stop here and end my rebuttal to him:

    I won't do that, however, because I would like to expose his lies and blasphemies in great details and to the fullest so that the reader would have absolutely no doubt about the lie of trinity being totally false and unfound in the Bible.

     

     

    He wrote:

    Note:  Pay attention to my emphasis to his quotes below.

    Many anti-Trinitarians claim that this is an erroneous conclusion or assumption since a careful reading of the Hebrew text disproves such a notion. The Hebrew uses two different words which English translations render as Lord:

    "The LORD says to my Lord: ‘Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.’" English Standard Version (ESV)

    The words in Hebrew which the above version translates LORD and Lord are actually Yahweh and Adoni (this emphasis is mine, Osama Abdallah), two different words with two obviously different meanings (or so the argument goes). The text more literally reads in the following manner:

    "The affirmation of Jehovah to my Lord: ‘Sit at My right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.’" Young’s Literal Translation (YLT)

    The assertion is that the use of two different words automatically proves that the Psalmist had two completely different beings in view, and that the second Lord refers to someone who isn’t God. The main problem with this claim is that just because the Psalmist used two different terms it doesn’t necessarily follow that he had two beings in mind who were of completely different essences, i.e. one is Divine while the other is human or angelic. We do agree that the Psalmist had two distinct and different Persons in view, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they are of different essences or share different beings. After all, isn’t it true that David’s Lord is Yahweh God?

    "I say to the LORD, ‘You are my Lord; I have no good apart from you.’" Psalm 16:2

    "Awake and rouse yourself for my vindication, for my cause, my God and my Lord!" Psalm 35:23

    And wouldn’t this open up the possibility that the use of Adoni for the second occurrence of Lord is a reference to Yahweh God as David’s Sovereign, David’s Lord? It is quite possible, and yet the anti-Trinitarian says it isn’t very probable.

    The reason given for why it is highly improbable that David was addressing Yahweh is because of the fact that the word Adoni is never once used for God in the Hebrew Bible. It is always used for human beings or angels. (again, this emphasis is mine, Osama Abdallah)  Moreover, David could have used the word Adonai (literally, "Lords" or "my Lords") if he had intended for his audience to understand that he was addressing Yahweh since this word is normally used of God.

     

     

    My response:

    Funny how the polytheist trinitarian pagan is self-refuting himself thus far.   More importantly and as I proved above, both "Adoni" and "El", which mean "Master" and "God" respectively, were used for every single believer and many kings in the Bible!  They are not unique titles.


    From www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm:

    Psalm 82:6  "I said, 'You are "gods" (Elohim; plural to El); you are all sons of the Most High.' "  "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL".  It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s.  And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah.  I also want to point out that any "Son of GOD" in the Bible is a "god" or "God".

    See also: The definition of "Son of God" in Islam.

    "Son of God" means "Servant of God" in Hebrew. Bible agrees with Islam, not with pagan trinity.

    "Allah" was GOD Almighty's Original Name in the Bible according to Hebrew and Aramaic sources.


    Many people in the Jewish old culture were called "God" before Jesus' existence on earth.  The following translations were verified by http://bible.crosswalk.com and the Jewish Sabbath Temple:

    Note: Some of the words have different translations in the http://bible.crosswalk.com site than in the Jewish Sabbath Temple translation.  I trust the Jewish Sabbath Temple translation, because they speak far better and more accurate Hebrew than the Bible Crosswalk site who are Christians and are desperate to prove the trinity dogma even if it means giving inaccurate and wrong/false translations:


    Important Note:  The "Yahweh" in many Hebrew names is shortened because it apparently makes the name much easier to pronounce since it is used often.   It is very similar to our shortened names today such as:

    1-  Michael shortened for Mike.
    2-  Samuel shortened for Sam.
     

    1-  Jerusalem was called "The LORD our Righteousness".  "In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness (Yahweh tsidkenŻ).'  (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 33:16)"

    2-  Abraham called a mountain "The LORD will Provide" (Yahweh Jireh).  "So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide (Yahweh Jireh). And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided.  (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 22:14)"

    3- Ezekiel means "Strong God".  It also means "Yahweh is Strong God".

    4- Elijah.  This name is short for EliJehovah or "Eli Yahweh".  Eli means my GOD, and Yahweh is the name and title of GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Does "Eli Yahweh" or Elijah mean that the person is Jehovah Himself?

    5- Israel means "Challenge God", "he struggles with God", or "fight with God".  It also means "Defeat God".

    6- Gabriel also means "Strong God".

    7- Isaiah or Jesaiah, which is short for "Jesa Yahweh" means "Salvation from Yahweh".  It could also mean "Salvation".

    8- Joshua, which is short for "Josh Yahweh" means "Yahweh Saves".

    9- Elli, which is a common name for men before and after Jesus, means "God".   Psalm 82:6  "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' "  "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL".  It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s.  And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah.  I also want to point out that ANY "Son of GOD" in the Bible is a "god" or "God" as clearly shown in Psalm 82:6.

    Note:  The trinitarian liars who translate the Bible into English play dirty tricks about capitalizing and lowering the "g" in "God" to prove their trinity lie, while they fully know that it is the same word used for ALL!


    10- Immanuel, Emanuel, Emmanuel, Immanuel, or Imanuel are the SAME NAME and are another name for Jesus, means "With us is God".  This name is also common for men before and after Jesus.

    11- Elihu means "My God is He". 

    12- Gedaliah means "Jehovah is Great".   Again, Gedaliah is short for "Gedal Yahweh".  Is the person who was called "Jehovah is Great" GOD Almighty Himself?  People before and after Jesus are given this name.  See 2 Kings 25:22-24.

    13- Eliadah or Eliada means "God knows". 

    14- Eliab means "my God is Father".

    15- Elzaphan means "God is Protector"

    16- Eliakim means "God raises".

    17- Elisha means "God is Salvation". 

    18- Eleazar means "God has helped"

    19- Judah or Yahawdah means "Praised".  It generally means "Praised by Yahweh".

    20- Hashabiah means "Jehovah has considered".

    21- Mattithiah means "Gift of Jehovah".

    22- Michael (nick name "Mike") means "who is like God".  Yet, non is like Him, the Almighty.  See Exodus 8:10.

    23- Jesus, Yahshua, Yeshua or Yashua are the SAME NAME, and mean "Salvation".  It doesn't mean "God Saves" as Christians claim.  Jesus (Yeshua) means in Hebrew "salvation" and not "God saves".  Yud Shin Waw Ain - this name doesn't include the word "God".

    Joshua (Yehoshya) - Yod Hey - Waw Shin Ain
    Isaya (Yeshayah) - Yod Shin Ain - Yod Hey .

    These two names are combination of Yod, Shin, Ain - salvation and Yod, Hey - Yahwe.

    Yosh Hey (Yah) is common short from Yahwe, for example Alleluia comes from "Halelu Yah" - "Glorify Yahwe".

     

     

    Are all of these beings GOD?

     

     

     

    He wrote:

    These claims are erroneous for several reasons. First, in ancient, biblical Hebrew there were no vowel markings to distinguish between the different forms of the word Adon, the word from where we get Adoni and Adonai, which means that the verses would have read the same way since they have the same consonants, making this a moot point.

    Second, just because Adoni is used elsewhere for human beings or angels (again, this emphasis is mine, Osama Abdallah) doesn’t mean that David didn’t use it in reference to God. (blah blah blah....By the way, is it "God (Lord)" or "GOD (Yahweh)"?   Readers, watch out from his deceptive word games) Psalm 110:1 may actually be a case where the word is being used for Yahweh God, making it the exception to the norm. One cannot simply dismiss this as a possibility on a priori grounds, but must be decided by first looking and exegeting the text itself before looking elsewhere.

     

    My response:

    Like you probably guessed :-), blah blah blah. LOL.  Just absolute blasphemy, garbage and nonsense.

    By the way, Jesus is supposedly his Creator while he didn't even know when the Hour will come:

    Mark 13
    32  "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but ONLY the Father.


    How am I supposed to interpret that?  That Jesus the "Adoni" is Yahweh Himself?? 

     

    Give me one logical reason for this!

     

    By the way, "Son of GOD" in Hebrew literally means "Servant of GOD".  Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm, and see the proofs for yourself.

     

     

    He wrote:

    Third, the word Adoni is used for the Angel of Yahweh in Judges 6:13 who clearly isn’t a mere creature. This particular Angel is actually a manifestation of God himself, just as the immediate context shows:

    "Now the angel of the LORD came and SAT under the terebinth at Ophrah, which belonged to Joash the Abiezrite, while his son Gideon was beating out wheat in the winepress to hide it from the Midianites. And the angel of the LORD appeared to him and said to him, ‘The LORD is with you, O mighty man of valor.’ And Gideon said to him, ‘Please, my Lord, if the LORD is with us, why then has all this happened to us? And where are all his wonderful deeds that our fathers recounted to us, saying, "Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt?" But now the LORD has forsaken us and given us into the hand of Midian.’ AND THE LORD TURNED TO HIM AND SAID, ‘Go in this might of yours and save Israel from the hand of Midian; do not I send you?’ And he said to him, ‘Please, Lord, how can I save Israel? Behold, my clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father's house.’ AND THE LORD SAID TO HIM, ‘But I will be with you, and you shall strike the Midianites as one man.’ And he said to him, ‘If now I have found favor in your eyes, then show me a sign that it is you who speaks with me. Please do not depart from here until I come to you and bring out my present and set it before you.’ And he said, ‘I will stay till you return.’ So Gideon went into his house and prepared a young goat and unleavened cakes from an ephah of flour. The meat he put in a basket, and the broth he put in a pot, and brought them to him under the terebinth and presented them. AND THE ANGEL OF GOD SAID TO HIM, ‘Take the meat and the unleavened cakes, and put them on this rock, and pour the broth over them.’ And he did so. Then the angel of the LORD reached out the tip of the staff that was IN HIS HAND and touched the meat and the unleavened cakes. And fire sprang up from the rock and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. And the angel of the LORD vanished from his sight. Then Gideon perceived that he was the angel of the LORD. And Gideon said, ‘Alas, O Lord GOD! For now I have seen the angel of the LORD face to face. ’ BUT THE LORD SAID TO HIM, ‘Peace be to you. Do not fear; you shall not die.’" Judges 6:11-23

    People normally become afraid of dying after seeing God face to face, and yet here Gideon is afraid because he saw the Angel face to face (cf. Genesis 32:30; Exodus 33:20; Judges 13:22). What this basically means is that the Angel was Yahweh himself who both appeared and spoke directly to Gideon, which means that Gideon was addressing Yahweh as his Lord or Adoni.

    In another place, Joshua sees a man wielding a sword and addressed him as Adoni after he realized who this man actually was:

    "When Joshua was by Jericho, he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, a man was standing before him with his drawn sword in his hand. And Joshua went to him and said to him, ‘Are you for us, or for our adversaries?’ And he said, ‘No; but I am the commander of the army of the LORD. Now I have come.’ And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped and said to him, "What does my lord say to his servant?’ And the commander of the LORD's army said to Joshua, "Take off your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy." And Joshua did so." Joshua 5:13-15

    Compare the above with the following texts:

    "Now Moses was keeping the flock of his father-in-law, Jethro, the priest of Midian, and he led his flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And THE ANGEL OF THE LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush was burning, yet it was not consumed. And Moses said, ‘I will turn aside to see this great sight, why the bush is not burned.’ When THE LORD SAW that he turned aside to see, GOD CALLED TO HIM OUT OF THE BUSH, ‘Moses, Moses!’ And he said, ‘Here I am.’ Then he said, ‘Do not come near; take your sandals off your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.’ And he said, ‘I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God." Exodus 3:1-6

    "Behold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him. But if you carefully obey his voice and do all that I say, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries. When my angel goes before you and brings you to the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, and I blot them out," Exodus 23:20-23

    The man wielding the sword, the man who leads the armies of the Lord is actually the Angel of Yahweh sent ahead of Israel to fight their enemies, the One whom God says has his very own name within him and who can forgive sins, a divine prerogative. Putting it simply, the Adoni who Joshua saw was the Angel of God who happens to also be God Almighty himself! It is little wonder that Joshua fell down and worshiped him.

    Here is one final example where Adoni is used for a Divine Being:

    "On the twenty-fourth day of the eleventh month, which is the month of Shebat, in the second year of Darius, the word of the LORD came to the prophet Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, son of Iddo, saying, ‘I saw in the night, and behold, a man riding on a red horse! He was standing among the myrtle trees in the glen, and behind him were red, sorrel, and white horses. Then I said, ‘What are these, my lord?’ The angel who talked with me said to me, ‘I will show you what they are.’ So the man who was standing among the myrtle trees answered, ‘These are they whom the LORD has sent to patrol the earth.’ And they answered the angel of the LORD who was standing among the myrtle trees, and said, ‘We have patrolled the earth, and behold, all the earth remains at rest.’" Zechariah 1:7-11

    Zechariah provides enough clues that identify this specific Angel as being the very same Angel of Yahweh mentioned in the above texts:

    "Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him. And the LORD said to Satan, ‘The LORD rebuke you, O Satan! The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is not this a brand plucked from the fire?’ Now Joshua was standing before the angel, clothed with filthy garments. And the angel said to those who were standing before him, ‘Remove the filthy garments from him.’ And to him he said, ‘Behold, I have taken your iniquity away from you, and I will clothe you with pure vestments.’" Zechariah 3:1-4

    The inspired prophet identifies this Angel as Yahweh God who has the power to forgive or remove sins!

    The above texts refute the assertion that Adoni is never used of Yahweh, since in at least three places Adoni is used for a man, for an Angel, whom the texts explicitly identify as Yahweh. More on this point a little later.

     

     

    My response:

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/q_god_not_man_rebuttal.htm:

     

    Absolute lies and nonsense! 


    My response in this section will be divided into the following points:

    1. The Hebrew text is clear it wasn't GOD Almighty, but rather, it was an Angel who was speaking on His behalf.

    2. CLEAR CUT Proofs from other verses that it was an Angel and not GOD Almighty Himself!

    3. The Roman Catholics believe that the Angel was indeed Angel Gabriel, who is also well Praised in the Noble Quran as well as in the Bible!


            -  They believe he was the one who buried Moses.

            -  They also believe he was the one who wrestled with Jacob.

    4. See the figurative speech in the Bible proving that we must not take everything literally!

     

     

     

    Point #1:

    (According to the Hebrew, it was an Angel speaking on behalf of GOD Almighty.  He is Angel Gabriel according to Islam!)

     

    If Sam Shamoun was indirectly trying to prove the trinity lie by presenting the number 3 in the three angels that appeared to Abraham, peace be upon him, as a sign for trinity, then this only goes to prove his lack of intellect and integrity.

    The following links clearly debunk the polytheist trinitarian pagans' lies in regards to proving trinity using Genesis 18 & 19:

    1-  http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/verses/Gen18_19.html

    2-  http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/QA_trinity.htm

    3-  http://www.heaven.net.nz/answers/answer33.htm


    The author in the second link has put it best in the following paragraph in his detailed and lengthy refutation:  (green and red color emphasis are mine)

    "This is the basic framework of the trinitarian argument.  Based on this explanation, we can refute this erroneous trinitarian teaching quite clearly and readily.  Here’s the beginning refutation:

    In Genesis 18:9 the scripture describes the three men that ask Abraham where his wife is by using the plural pronoun, “they.”

    Genesis 18:9 Then they said to him, "Where is Sarah your wife?”  And he said, "Behold, in the tent."

    In Genesis 18:10 however, only ONE of the men speaks and promises Abraham “he will return saying to Abraham, “I will surely return to you at this time next year…” 

    Genesis 18:10 And he said, "I will surely return to you at this time next year; and behold, Sarah your wife shall have a son." And Sarah was listening at the tent door, which was behind him. NAS

    There is a clear distinction between, “they said,” in Genesis 18:9 and, “he said,” in Genesis 18:10.  In 18:9 only two of the men ask Abraham where Sarah is, but in 18:10, only one of the men says, “I will return next year.”  This distinction means this is not the trinity in focus, otherwise the pronouns would not shift back and forth from singular to plural.

    Below Genesis 18:13-14 are first mention of Yahweh and are a continuation of one man speaking apart from the other two men.

    Genesis 18:13-14 And the LORD (Yahweh) said to Abraham, "Why did Sarah laugh, saying, 'Shall I indeed bear a child, when I am so old?' 14 Is anything too difficult for the LORD (Yahweh)? At the appointed time I will return to you, at this time next year, and Sarah shall have a son." NAS

    This is Yahweh speaking to Abraham, and it is the angel (singular) of Yahweh, whom Abraham recognized because prior in earlier chapters of Genesis the angel of Yahweh appeared to Abraham’s mistress and Sarah’s maidservant in Genesis 16:7, 9, 10, & 11 promising her she would bear children.  Later this same singular angel of Yahweh came to Abraham to deliver Yahweh’s messages to him in Genesis 22:11, 15

    Genesis 22:11 But the angel of the LORD (Yahweh) called to him from heaven, and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am." NAS

    Genesis 22:15 Then the angel of the LORD (Yahweh) called to Abraham a second time from heaven.    NAS

    Further proof this is not the trinity involved is found in verse Genesis 18:14 where Yahweh speaks to Abraham thru the angel (singular) of Yahweh using the singular pronoun, “I,” NOT the plural pronoun, “we.”  Yahweh is mentioned and uses only SINGULAR pronouns for the remainder of chapter 18

    Genesis 18:16-17 Then the men rose up from there, and looked down toward Sodom; and Abraham was walking with them to send them off. 17 And the LORD (Yahweh) said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do?” NAS

    Abraham escorts all three men on the way to Sodom; however only two of the men actually go into Sodom; the other man (angel) speaks as Yahweh, and he uses singular pronouns in Genesis 18: 17, “And the LORD (Yahweh) said, "Shall I…”

    The other two men that go down to Sodom are identified as, “angels,” whereas one man stays with Abraham, and speaks to him as, “Yahweh.”  This is concrete proof that only ONE man (angel) is speaking as Yahweh, and the other two are merely angels sent to accompany the singular angel of Yahweh in their visit to and with Abraham and his wife Sarah.

    The role of the two angels changes when they go to Sodom to rescue Abraham’s nephew named Lot.  They are being directed on a different mission as agents acting directly on behalf of Yahweh to fulfil two purposes; first, to warn Lot and rescue him and any of his family that pays heed to the warning, and secondly, to act on behalf of and with the authority to use the power of Yahweh to destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah with brimstone and with fire.

    Genesis 19:1-2 Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 And he said, "Now behold, my lords (lords = PLURAL, not LORD singular), please turn aside into your servant's house, and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way." They said however, "No, but we shall spend the night in the square." NAS

    These two “angels” were the same men that had earlier been with Abraham and Sarah; the third man stayed with Abraham.  These two angels come in the form of men, evidenced by the fact that Lot wanted to wash their feet.    Angels appearing in the form of men is not unheard of in scripture, because angels appear as men in numerous places throughout both Old & New Testaments.

    When Lot greets these two angels, he addresses them by using the PLURAL noun, and saying, “My lords.” Because Lots calls them by the plural, “my lords,” this proves there is no such thing as the trinity in this context.    The Hebrew noun (adonay) that Lot uses to call these angelic visitors, “lords,” is the common plural form of the Hebrew title of respect. 

    Adonay does not mean divinity; it is a general Hebrew word to address someone of dignity, or someone as, ‘master.’  For example, Sarah called Abraham, “my lord,” in Genesis 18:12 using the same form of Hebrew word, “adon.”  Do you suppose trinitarian dogma would identify Abraham as one member of the trinity, simply because his wife Sarah called him, “lord?”  Of course not, but this shows the total absurdity of this false teaching.

    Furthermore, the fact that Lot addresses these two angelic messengers (sent in the form of men) as, “my lords,” (plural), is absolute proof there is no mention of the trinity, because the third person was not present with them, which by trinitarian standards reduces their co-equality and their co-omnipresence to nothing.

    Also, note in Genesis 19:2 the two angels speak to answer Lot and they said, "No, but we shall spend the night in the square."  Because “they” use a plural pronoun, “we” while speaking collectively, this is irrefutable evidence that only two angels exist in Sodom, while the third angel who had earlier spoken to Abraham for and on behalf of Jehovah (or Yahweh) is not with them. 

    The reason I mention this is simply to point out that the three men or angels did not stay together, which violates the fundamental doctrine of co-omnipresence taught by trinitarian doctrine.  Furthermore, since one speaks as Yahweh, and they other two remain silent as he speaks, this nullifies the trinitarian principle of co-equality amongst the three persons of the triune Godhead.

    The way this can be proven is by looking at the Genesis 19:29, “Thus it came about, when God (Elohim) destroyed the cities of the valley, that God (Elohim) remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot lived.”  Trinitarianism teaches that the Hebrew word, “Elohim,” means, “a united one,” and is used to represent the three persons of the trinity eternally united and inseparable.  Oops.  Now two of the angels split off and went to Sodom at the command of the angel of Yahweh that stayed behind with Abraham, thereby nullifying the “united” three persons of the trinity.

    The third angel, known throughout the OT as “the” angel of Yahweh is mentioned separately and distinct from these two angels.  The third angel stayed behind to talk with Abraham; he IS referred to throughout the last half of Genesis chapter 18 as, “Yahweh.” This point will be mentioned again when I answer your question concerning the use of Yahweh in Genesis 19:24.  The other two angels were sent to rescue Lot and his family from the impending destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    So far I have proven by simple breakdown of plural and singular nouns and pronouns that there is no such thing as the trinity with its err of three co-equal, co-omnipresent persons of “God” in the context of Genesis chapters 18-19.  The three men that came to visit Abraham and his wife Sarah were two angels in the form of men, and a third angel in the form of man, but with considerably greater authority, who speaks for and on behalf of Yahweh, and is recognized as one and the same as the, “angel of Yahweh,” throughout the OT.

    This means that during the initial meeting with Abraham and Sarah the other two men are angels sent to accompany the angel of Yahweh to speak to Abraham.    Perhaps this is so they can act as witnesses to the promise of Yahweh to Sarah, that she would become pregnant and bear a son within the next year.  Following the meeting with Abraham, one angel stays with him, while the other two angels are then sent separately into Sodom to rescue Abraham’s nephew Lot and his family before the city was to be destroyed by Yahweh THROUGH them (i.e. – thru these two angel Yahweh destroys Sodom and Gomorrah)......"


    He then goes on to refute Genesis 19:24, which some hopeless trinitarians misuse to prove their trinity lie.

    "I don’t know where they find any reason to identify more than one person of Yahweh in Genesis 19:24; neither the English nor Hebrew text supports their argument, and there is no distinction by virtue of plural nouns or pronouns in verse 24 to support such an interpretation.  So the best way to decipher any argument is to begin with context. 

    ..............

    Read the context of Genesis 19:12-29 below, and then pay close attention to the following:

    Plural or singular nouns (e.g. – “men” versus “man” or “angel” versus “angels” OR “angels” versus “the LORD”) and pronouns (e.g. – “I, he, him” versus “we, us, they, them”)

    Ask yourself, who is speaking & to whom OR who is acting on behalf of whom?  I have highlighted in red some of the key pronouns for your consideration:

    Genesis 19:12-29 Then the men said to Lot, "Whom else have you here?  A son-in-law, and your sons, and your daughters, and whomever you have in the city, bring them out of the place; 13 for we are about to destroy this place, because their outcry has become so great before the LORD (Yahweh) that the LORD (Yahweh) has sent us to destroy it. "  14 And Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were to marry his daughters, and said, "Up, get out of this place, for the LORD (Yahweh) will destroy the city." But he appeared to his sons-in-law to be jesting. 15 And when morning dawned, the angels urged Lot, saying, "Up, take your wife and your two daughters, who are here, lest you be swept away in the punishment of the city." 16 But he hesitated. So the men seized his hand and the hand of his wife and the hands of his two daughters, for the compassion of the LORD (Yahweh) was upon him; and they brought him out, and put him outside the city. 17 And it came about when they had brought them outside, that one said, "Escape for your life!  Do not look behind you, and do not stay anywhere in the valley; escape to the mountains, lest you be swept away." 18 But Lot said to them, "Oh no, my lords! 19 "Now behold, your servant has found favor in your sight, and you have magnified your lovingkindness, which you have shown me by saving my life; but I cannot escape to the mountains, lest the disaster overtake me and I die; 20 now behold, this town is near enough to flee to, and it is small. Please, let me escape there (is it not small?) that my life may be saved. "  21 And he said to him, "Behold, I grant you this request also, not to overthrow the town of which you have spoken. 22 Hurry, escape there, for I cannot do anything until you arrive there." Therefore the name of the town was called Zoar. 23 The sun had risen over the earth when Lot came to Zoar. 24 Then the LORD (Yahweh) rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD (Yahweh) out of heaven, 25 and He overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground. 26 But his wife, from behind him, looked back; and she became a pillar of salt. 27 Now Abraham arose early in the morning and went to the place where he had stood before the LORD (Yahweh); 28 and he looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the valley, and he saw, and behold, the smoke of the land ascended like the smoke of a furnace. 29 Thus it came about, when God (Elohim) destroyed the cities of the valley, that God (Elohim) remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot lived. NAS

    I think you’ll find the answers to your questions self-explanatory if you carefully segment all the words highlighted in red.  Here’s some simple refutations that easily and logically dispel the trinity myth:

    Refutation #1: In verses 12 & 13 the men said to Lot… we are about to destroy this place, because the LORD (Yahweh) has sent us to destroy it. "  Recall now that the third angel who stayed behind with Abraham was the angel of Yahweh.  He is the spokesman for Yahweh to whom these two angels refer when they spoke to Lot saying to him, “the LORD (Yahweh) has sent us to destroy it. "  This is answer enough to eliminate every trinitarian argument in the entire chapter of Genesis 19!

     

    What proves these two angels who came in the form of men are Yahweh’s representatives is how they act on behalf of Yahweh’s command when granting Lot’s request.  In verse 16 Lot has second thoughts and he hesitates, so to save him the men (i.e. - the two angels) seize Lot’s hand and the hand of his wife and the hands of his two daughters. 

    As the angels take his family by the hand, and lead them outside of the city, this act of deliverance is described in the last half of verse 16 saying, “… for the compassion of the LORD (Yahweh) was upon him (Lot); and they brought him out, and put him outside the city.”

    Here we see that “Yahweh’s compassion” is demonstrated thru the actions of these two angels disguised as men; keep in mind however, that these two angels are “sent by Yahweh,” so therefore the reference to the “compassion of Yahweh,” is redirected to the third angel that stayed with Abraham, because he is the auditory spokesman for Yahweh (i.e. – he speaks directly for Yahweh).

    This shows how scripture sometimes uses the actions of others to describe the compassion of Yahweh, but it certainly does not prove there are more than one person of God in a triune Godhead, as purported by trinitarian dogma.

    Refutation #2: In verse 17 it reads, “And it came about when they (the 2 angels) had brought them (Lot’s family) outside (of Sodom), that one said, (meaning one of the angels) "Escape for your life!  Do not look behind you, and do not stay anywhere in the valley; escape to the mountains, lest you be swept away." Since they are now outside of the city, the “one” speaking is the angel of Yahweh, who is the third angel that had remained outside of the cities, as he stayed behind with Abraham.

    Even though only one of the angels speaks to Lot, in a typical display of Middle Eastern cultural respect, Lot responds to the one speaking by addressing ALL three of the angels in verse 18 by calling to them, "Oh no, my lords!”

    Safe temporarily outside of Sodom and now in the presence of all three angels, Lot goes on to plead with them in verses 19 & 20, to let him retreat to a smaller city nearby saying, “"Now behold, your servant has found favor in your sight, and you have magnified your lovingkindness, which you have shown me by saving my life…” 

    This leads to my point in verse 21, which reads, “And he (he meaning Yahweh) said to him (Lot), "Behold, I (Yahweh) grant you this request…”  Recall earlier that only ONE angel spoke.  The context does not say which of the three angels is speaking for and on behalf of Yahweh, but the fact is, only one speaks, and earlier this was the angel of Yahweh, so the logical conclusion is that it is the original angel of Yahweh speaking again.

    Because only one angel speaks, and the other two angels said they had been “sent by Yahweh” to destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, the principle of co-equality in the triune Godhead is ruined by this fact, because only one of the two angels speaks, and the fact remains the other two personages are subservient to him, not co-equal.

    Therefore, any alluding to “Yahweh” twice in verse 24 is simply the two angels alternately working on behalf and directly for Yahweh, who sent them with power to destroy the cities with brimstone and fire.  So simple even a child could figure it out.

    One last note about verses 13-14 when Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law.  In verse 13 the two angels told Lot, “… for we are about to destroy this place, because their outcry has become so great before the LORD (Yahweh) that the LORD (Yahweh) has sent us to destroy it. "  In verse 14 Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were to marry his daughters, and said, "Up, get out of this place, for the LORD (Yahweh) will destroy the city."  As far as Lot knew, there were only two angels involved, since he had not met the third one as the angel of Yahweh yet.

    The fact then that Lot refers to these two angels of destruction and deliverance collectively as, “Yahweh,” blows the ‘three-in-one’ trinity argument out of the water!  If the trinitarian dogma says this is proof for more than one person of Yahweh in the context, then the blessed three has been reduced to a mere two, and instead of a trinity, we now have a twinity!"

     

     

    Point #2:

    (CLEAR CUT Proofs from other verses that it was an Angel and not GOD Almighty Himself!)

     

    The claim of the polytheist trinitarian pagans regarding GOD Almighty appearing in a form of a man is quite absurd, false, and again is in clear contradiction with Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, Hosea 11:9, Job 25:4-6 and Malachi 3:6 above.

    Again, Malachi 3:6 clearly says:  "For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."  GOD Almighty does not change, and He therefore, would not become a man because He Declared that He is not a man.

     

    Here are verses from the Bible that will clearly debunk Sam Shamoun's absurdity:


    No one has seen GOD Almighty!

    Exodus 3
    4 When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, "Moses! Moses!"
    And Moses said, "Here I am."
    5 "Do not come any closer," God said. "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground."
    6 Then he said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob." At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.

    Judges 13
    21 When the angel of the LORD did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the LORD .
    22 "We are doomed to die!" he said to his wife. "We have seen God!"
    23 But his wife answered, "If the LORD had meant to kill us, he would not have accepted a burnt offering and grain offering from our hands, nor shown us all these things or now told us this."

    Here they thought that they saw the face of GOD Almighty when they only saw His Angel.  Notice how they were scared that they were going to be doomed.

    1 John 4
    11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
    12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
    13 We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.

     

    But did Moses know GOD Almighty face to face and did GOD bury him when he died?

    Deuteronomy 34

    5 And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said.
    6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is.
    7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone.
    8 The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over.
    9 Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the LORD had commanded Moses.
    10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,
    11 who did all those miraculous signs and wonders the LORD sent him to do in Egypt—to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land.
    12 For no one has ever shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all Israel.


    As we clearly saw above, Moses never knew GOD Almighty face to face on the literal sense.    No one has ever seen GOD Almighty or the Face of GOD Almighty. 

     

    So now here is the challenge to Sam Shamoun:

    1-  Who buried Moses, peace be upon him?  Certainly, the Roman Catholics in the section below think Gabriel did.

    2-  Using your absurd logic above about taking things literally, explain to us the contradiction between Deuteronomy 34:10 and Exodus 3:4-6, Judges 13:21-23, and 1 John 4:11-13 above.  Did Moses see GOD Almighty or not?

    3-  Also, why should we take your point literally when Judges 13:21-23 clearly refutes it?    People back then thought they saw GOD Almighty, when in reality they only saw an Angel, most probably the Angel Gabriel, peace be upon him.  Anyway, the Bible is a rewrite.  It's not original.  Anything and everything in it is quite doubtful according to its own theologians and historians.

     

     

    Point #3:

    (The Roman Catholics believe that the Angel was indeed Angel Gabriel, who is also well Praised in the Noble Quran!)

     

    In the following treatise from the Roman Catholic theologians, we see the following:

    1-    Angel Gabriel is the King of Angels.

    2-    His Name means "The Power of GOD".

    3-    He was the one who buried Moses, peace be upon him.

    4-     He was the one who wrestled with Jacob.

     

     

    From http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06330a.htm: (the color and underline emphasis below are mine)

    St. Gabriel the Archangel

    "Fortitudo Dei", one of the three archangels mentioned in the Bible. Only four appearances of Gabriel are recorded:

    Thus he is throughout the angel of the Incarnation and of Consolation, and so in Christian tradition Gabriel is ever the angel of mercy while Michael is rather the angel of judgment. At the same time, even in the Bible, Gabriel is, in accordance with his name, the angel of the Power of God, and it is worth while noting the frequency with which such words as "great", "might", "power", and "strength" occur in the passages referred to above. The Jews indeed seem to have dwelt particularly upon this feature in Gabriel's character, and he is regarded by them as the angel of judgment, while Michael is called the angel of mercy. Thus they attribute to Gabriel the destruction of Sodom and of the host of Sennacherib, though they also regard him as the angel who buried Moses, and as the man deputed to mark the figure Tau on the foreheads of the elect (Ezech., 4). In later Jewish literature the names of angels were considered to have a peculiar efficacy, and the British Museum possesses some magic bowls inscribed with Hebrew, Aramaic, and Syriac incantations in which the names of Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel occur. These bowls were found at Hillah, the site of Babylon, and constitute an interesting relic of the Jewish captivity. In apocryphal Christian literature the same names occur, cf. Enoch, ix, and the Apocalypse of the Blessed Virgin.

    As remarked above, Gabriel is mentioned only twice in the New Testament, but it is not unreasonable to suppose with Christian tradition that it is he who appeared to St. Joseph and to the shepherds, and also that it was he who "strengthened" Our Lord in the garden (cf. the Hymn for Lauds on 24 March). Gabriel is generally termed only an archangel, but the expression used by St. Raphael, "I am the angel Raphael, one of the seven, who stand before the Lord" (Tob., xii, 15) and St. Gabriel's own words, "I am Gabriel, who stand before God" (Luke 1, 19), have led some to think that these angels must belong to the highest rank; but this is generally explained as referring to their rank as the highest of God's messengers, and not as placing them among the Seraphim and Cherubim (cf. St. Thomas, I, Q. cxii, a.3; III, Q. xxx, a.2, ad 4um).

    In addition to the literature under ANGEL and in the biblical dictionaries, see PUSEY, The Prophet Daniel (London, 1868); EDERSHEIM, Jesus the Messiah (London and New York, 1890), Append. XIII; H. CROSBY, Michael and Gabriel in Homiletic Review (1890), XIX, 160-162; BARDENHEWER, Mariš-VerkŁndigung in Bibl. Studien, X, 496 sqq.

     


    From http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01476d.htm:

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    God's messengers to mankind

    But these glimpses of life beyond the veil are only occasional. The angels of the Bible generally appear in the role of God's messengers to mankind. They are His instruments by whom He communicates His will to men, and in Jacob's vision they are depicted as ascending and descending the ladder which stretches from earth to heaven while the Eternal Father gazes upon the wanderer below. It was an angel who found Agar (Hagar) in the wilderness (Gen., xvi); angels drew Lot out of Sodom; an angel announces to Gideon that he is to save his people; an angel foretells the birth of Samson (Judges, xiii), and the angel Gabriel instructs Daniel (Dan., viii, 16), though he is not called an angel in either of these passages, but "the man Gabriel" (9:21). The same heavenly spirit announced the birth of St. John the Baptist and the Incarnation of the Redeemer, while tradition ascribes to him both the message to the shepherds (Luke, ii, 9), and the most glorious mission of all, that of strengthening the King of Angels in His Agony (Luke 22:43). The spiritual nature of the angels is manifested very clearly in the account which Zacharias gives of the revelations bestowed upon him by the ministry of an angel. The prophet depicts the angel as speaking "in him". He seems to imply that he was conscious of an interior voice which was not that of God but of His messenger. The Massoretic text, the Septuagint, and the Vulgate all agree in thus describing the communications made by the angel to the prophet. It is a pity that the "Revised Version" should, in apparent defiance of the above-named texts, obscure this trait by persistently giving the rendering: "the angel that talked with me: instead of "within me" (cf. Zach., i, 9, 13, 14; ii, 3; iv, 5; v, 10).

    Such appearances of angels generally last only so long as the delivery of their message requires, but frequently their mission is prolonged, and they are represented as the constituted guardians of the nations at some particular crisis, e.g. during the Exodus (Exod., xiv, 19; Baruch, vi, 6). Similarly it is the common view of the Fathers that by "the prince of the Kingdom of the Persians" (Dan., x, 13; x, 21) we are to understand the angel to whom was entrusted the spiritual care of that kingdom, and we may perhaps see in the "man of Macedonia" who appeared to St. Paul at Troas, the guardian angel of that country (Acts. xvi, 9). The Septuagint (Deut., xxxii, 8), has preserved for us a fragment of information on this head, though it is difficult to gauge its exact meaning: "When the Most High divided the nations, when He scattered the children of Adam, He established the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God". How large a part the ministry of angels played, not merely in Hebrew theology, but in the religious ideas of other nations as well, appears from the expression "like to an angel of God". It is three times used of David (II K., xiv, 17, 20; xiv, 27) and once by Achis of Geth (I K., xxlx, 9). It is even applied by Esther to Assuerus (Esther, xv, 16), and St. Stephen's face is said to have looked "like the face of an angel" as he stood before the Sanhedrin (Acts, vi, 15).

     

    From http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/160372.htm:

    3. Ye that are well instructed in the school of Christ, know that this Jacob is Israel too. They are two names; for they are one man. His first name Jacob, which is by interpretation supplanter, he received when he was born. For when those twins were born, his brother Esau was born first; and the hand of the younger was found on the elder's foot. He held his brother's foot who preceded him in his birth, and himself came after And because of this occurrence, because he held his brother's heel, he was called Jacob, that is, Supplanter. And afterwards, when he was returning from Mesopotamia, the Angel wrestled with him in the way. What comparison can there. be between an Angel's and a man's strength? Therefore it is a mystery, a sacrament, a prophecy, a figure; let us therefore understand it. For consider the manner of the struggle too. While he wrestleth, Jacob prevailed against the Angel.....

    Note: They then go into the nonsense of claiming that this incident introduced Jesus.  A claim that is not supported anywhere in the Unitarian Beliefs, because Jesus is a Creation of GOD Almighty and His Messenger.    He is not an Angel.

     

     

    From http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1801147.htm:

    Let us go back to the origin of our fall, and see that most truly is it sung in the Psalm, "Before I was troubled I went wrong." But he who says, "Before I was troubled I went wrong," saith also, "It is good for me that Thou hast humbled me, that I may learn Thy Righteousnesses." These righteousnesses Jacob learnt from God, who made him to wrestle with an Angel; under the guise of which Angel, God Himself wrestled with him He held Him, he exerted violence to hold Him he prevailed to hold Him: He caused Himself to be held, in mercy, not in weakness. Jacob therefore wrestled, and prevailed: he held Him and when he seemed to have conquered Him asked to be blessed of Him? How did he understand with Whom he had wrestled, Whom he had held? Wherefore did he wrestle violently, and hold Him? Because "the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force." Wherefore then did he wrestle? Because it is with toil. Wherefore do we with difficulty hold, what we so easily lose? Lest, easily getting back what we have lost, we learn to lose that which we hold. Let man have toil to hold: he will hold firmly, what he has only held after toil. These His judgments therefore God manifested to Jacob and Israel . . . .

     

     

    Point #4:

    (See the figurative speech in the Bible proving that we must not take everything literally!)

     

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/bible_quran_differences.htm: (See section #2)


    GOD Almighty's figurative Temptation:

    Luke 11
    2 He said to them, "When you pray, say: " 'Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come.
    3 Give us each day our daily bread.
    4 Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And lead us not into temptation.' "
    5 Then he said to them, "Suppose one of you has a friend, and he goes to him at midnight and says, 'Friend, lend me three loaves of bread,

    YET, GOD ALMIGHTY DOESN'T TEMPT:

    James 1
    13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
    14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
    15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full -grown, gives birth to death.

    Luke 11:2-5 and James 1:13-15 above, clearly prove that GOD Almighty does allow satan to tempt, not only us but also His Prophets.

     

    GOD Almighty's Hand:

    1 Samuel 5
    9 But after they had moved it, the LORD's hand was against that city, throwing it into a great panic. He afflicted the people of the city, both young and old, with an outbreak of tumors.
    10 So they sent the ark of God to Ekron. As the ark of God was entering Ekron, the people of Ekron cried out, "They have brought the ark of the god of Israel around to us to kill us and our people."
    11 So they called together all the rulers of the Philistines and said, "Send the ark of the god of Israel away; let it go back to its own place, or it will kill us and our people." For death had filled the city with panic; God's hand was very heavy upon it.

    The verses obviously are not talking about GOD Almighty's physical Arm, Hand and Fingers.

     

    They figuratively saw GOD Almighty:

    "Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself. But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.  (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 24:9-11)"

    "Jacob said, "Please tell me your name."  But he replied, "Why do you ask my name?" Then he blessed him there. So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."  The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel, and he was limping because of his hip.  (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 32:29-31)"

    "But Esau said, "I already have plenty, my brother. Keep what you have for yourself."  "No, please!" said Jacob. "If I have found favor in your eyes, accept this gift from me. For to see your face is like seeing the face of God, now that you have received me favorably. Please accept the present that was brought to you, for God has been gracious to me and I have all I need." And because Jacob insisted, Esau accepted it.  (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 33:9-11)"


    GOD Almighty figuratively hid His Face from them:

    Deuteronomy 31
    16 And the LORD said to Moses: "You are going to rest with your fathers, and these people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them.
    17 On that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will hide my face from them, and they will be destroyed. Many disasters and difficulties will come upon them, and on that day they will ask, 'Have not these disasters come upon us because our God is not with us?'
    18 And I will certainly hide my face on that day because of all their wickedness in turning to other gods.

    Psalm 27
    8 My heart says of you, "Seek his face!" Your face, LORD , I will seek.
    9 Do not hide your face from me, do not turn your servant away in anger; you have been my helper. Do not reject me or forsake me, O God my Savior.
    10 Though my father and mother forsake me, the LORD will receive me.

    Psalm 80
    2 before Ephraim, Benjamin and Manasseh. Awaken your might; come and save us.
    3 Restore us, O God; make your face shine upon us, that we may be saved.
    4 O LORD God Almighty, how long will your anger smolder against the prayers of your people?

    Isaiah 59
    1 Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear.
    2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.
    3 For your hands are stained with blood, your fingers with guilt. Your lips have spoken lies, and your tongue mutters wicked things.


    But in reality and actuality, no one has seen GOD Almighty, because they would then die:

    Exodus 3
    4 When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, "Moses! Moses!"
    And Moses said, "Here I am."
    5 "Do not come any closer," God said. "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground."
    6 Then he said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob." At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.

    Judges 13
    21 When the angel of the LORD did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the LORD .
    22 "We are doomed to die!" he said to his wife. "We have seen God!"
    23 But his wife answered, "If the LORD had meant to kill us, he would not have accepted a burnt offering and grain offering from our hands, nor shown us all these things or now told us this."

    1 John 4
    11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
    12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
    13 We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.


    Jehovah or Yahweh Almighty was the One and Only LORD!  The "God" title was distorted in the Bible.  Even satan was called "God":

    2 Corinthians 4
    3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
    4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

    The word "hotheos" in 2 Corinthians 4:2 which means "God" or "god" was the same exact word used in John 1:1.  For more details and proofs please visit:  The "God" title was given to people before and after Jesus in the Bible.

    Only Yahweh (Jehovah in English) is not figurative.  Exactly like no one has ever seen GOD Almighty's Face exactly like Moses is also not figurative.


    Can anyone really move a mountain with his eyes?

    " Jesus replied, 'I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done.   If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.'  (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 21:21)"


    Can anyone really survive a poisonous snake's venom without treatment?

    "And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.    (From the NIV Bible, Mark 16:17-18)"

     

     

     

    He wrote:

    Noted Messianic and Hebrew scholar Dr. Michael L. Brown beautifully summarizes the above points in his response to some similar arguments raised by an anti-missionary named Rabbi Tovia Singer:

    "There are at least three problems with his argument: First, he is incorrect in stating that ‘my lord’ is reserved ‘for the profane, never the sacred.’ Just look in Joshua 5:14, where Joshua addresses the angel of the Lord as ‘my lord’ (‘adoni). Yet this divine messenger is so holy that Joshua is commanded to remove the shoes from his feet because he is standing on holy ground, just as Moses was commanded when the angel of the Lord – representing Yahweh himself – appeared to him (Exod. 3:1-6). This is hardly a ‘profane’ rather than ‘sacred’ usage! Similar examples can be found in Judges 6:13 and Zechariah 1:9, among other places. In each of these, angels are addressed as ‘my lord,’ and in some of these cases, the angels bear the divine presence. Second, Singer’s whole argument hinges on the Masoretic vocalization, which did not reach its final form until the Middle Ages. As every student of Hebrew knows, biblical Hebrew was written with consonants and ‘vowel letters’ only; the vowel signs were added hundreds of years later. Yet both ‘adonai (used only for Yahweh) and ‘adoni (used for men and angels, as we just noted) are spelled identically in Hebrew, consisting of the four consonants ‘-d-n-y. How then can Rabbi Singer make such a dogmatic statement about the differences between these two forms in the Bible? His argument stands only if we accept the absolute authority of the Masoretic vocalization, which in some cases follows the original writing by almost two thousand years. Third, it is not really important whether we translate with ‘my Lord’ or ‘my lord,’ since Yeshua’s whole argument was simply that David called the Messiah ‘lord’ meaning that the Messiah had to more than David’s son. While many Christian translations do render ‘adoni as ‘my Lord’ in Psalm 110:1, they are careful to distinguish between the first Lord (i.e., LORD) and the second." (Brown, Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus: Messianic Prophecy Objections [Baker Books, Grand Rapids, MI 2003], Volume Three, pp. 137-138)

    More importantly, the Psalmist does refer to his Lord as Adonai right in verse 5:

    "The Lord (Adonai) is AT YOUR RIGHT HAND; he will shatter kings on the day of his wrath. He will execute judgment among the nations, filling them with corpses; he will shatter chiefs over the wide earth. He will drink from the brook by the way; therefore he will lift up his head." Psalm 110:5-7

    Here, Adonai is the One who will bring judgment against the nations and their kings, and will even drink from a brook! This clearly refers to David's Lord in verse 1, not just because he drinks from a brook of water, a human function, but also because he is said to be at "your right hand." In verse 1, this refers to the right hand of Yahweh:

    "The LORD says to my Lord: 'Sit at MY right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.'

    Now compare this again to verse 5:

    "The Lord is at YOUR right hand; he will shatter kings on the day of his wrath."

    "Your right hand" obviously refers to Yahweh's right hand. This means that the Lord or Adonai of verse 5 is actually David's Lord, the Messiah, since he is the one who is at Yahweh's right hand!

    With the foregoing behind us, we can resume our discussion of Psalm 110:1. In order to exhaust all points of views and arguments, so as to not leave anything out, there are really only three possibilities for us to consider. David could have been addressing one of the following three persons or beings as his Lord:

    1. Yahweh God.
    2. An angel.
    3. A human being.

    The problem with claiming that David was addressing another human being as his Lord is that, according to the Hebrew Bible, David was the highest ranking human ruler in all the earth:

    "Of old you spoke in a vision to your godly one, and said: I have granted help to one who is mighty; I have exalted one chosen from the people. I have found David, my servant; with my holy oil I have anointed him, … He shall cry to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.’ And I will make him the firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth." Psalm 89:19-20, 26-27

    Thus, there was no human ruler that was greater in prestige, power, authority, and rank than David. This means that the One he addressed as his Lord could not simply be a human figure, and we are therefore left with the other two options. Either David’s Lord was a Divine Being or an angelic creature; he couldn’t merely be a human sovereign.

    Although there is a text which implies that man is made a little lower than angels positionally:

    "what is man that you are mindful of him, and the son of man that you care for him? Yet you have made him a little lower than the heavenly beings (elohim) and crowned him with glory and honor. You have given him dominion over the works of your hands; you have put all things under his feet," Psalm 8:4-6

    This is due primarily to the fall of man, that since the fall man became lower than the angels in glory and rank. But according to the same Scriptures all those who are restored to God, all those whom God has elected for salvation, are restored to the glory which God created them whereby they become more exalted than the angels:

    "Now it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. It has been testified somewhere, ‘What is man, that you are mindful of him, or the son of man, that you care for him? You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, putting everything in subjection under his feet.’ Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." Hebrews 2:5-9

    In fact, angels are created to serve God’s elect:

    "And to which of the angels has he ever said, ‘Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet’? Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?" Hebrews 1:13-14

    Notice that the text denies that angels sit on God’s throne whereas earlier in the same text the author says that Jesus rules forever and is thereby superior to all the angels:

    "having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you’? Or again, ‘I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son’? And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, ‘Let all God's angels worship him.’ Of the angels he says, ‘He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire.’ BUT OF THE SON he says, ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.’ And, ‘You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.’" Hebrews 1:4-12

    In order to show how and in what way Jesus is superior to the angels the inspired writer cites several texts which refer to the enthronement of the Israelite kings, namely Psalm 2:7, 45:6-7 and 2 Samuel 7:14 (10-15), and applies them to Christ. These texts initially had David and his sons such as Solomon in mind. What this shows is that the Israelite kings were greater than any of the angels since no angel ever sat on God’s throne to rule.

    In other words, since all the anointed kings sat on God’s throne:

    "Then David said to all the assembly, ‘Bless the LORD your God.’ And all the assembly blessed the LORD, the God of their fathers, and bowed their heads and paid homage to the LORD and to the king. And they offered sacrifices to the LORD, and on the next day offered burnt offerings to the LORD, 1,000 bulls, 1,000 rams, and 1,000 lambs, with their drink offerings, and sacrifices in abundance for all Israel. And they ate and drank before the LORD on that day with great gladness. And they made Solomon the son of David king the second time, and they anointed him as prince for the LORD, and Zadok as priest. Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king in place of David his father. And he prospered, and all Israel obeyed him. All the leaders and the mighty men, and also all the sons of King David, pledged their allegiance to King Solomon. And the LORD made Solomon very great in the sight of all Israel and bestowed on him such royal majesty as had not been on any king before him in Israel." 1 Chronicles 29:20-25

    They were therefore greater than angels in rank, authority and honor, which means that David could not have been addressing an angelic being as his Lord. Angels serve God’s elect and his anointed king, making God’s people superior to and sovereign over even the angels.

     

     

    My response:

    Again, absolute gibberish nonsense!  The Roman Catholics above have refuted the lie about GOD Almighty Himself being the Angel or Angels that encountered humans in the Bible.  The ample evidence and quotes that I provided above clearly proves that.

    Also, like I mentioned above, if Jesus was GOD Almighty Himself, then why in Mark 13:32, he didn't even know about the Hour? 

    Mark 13
    32  "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but ONLY the Father.


    How am I supposed to interpret that?  That Jesus the "Adoni" is Yahweh Himself?? 

     

    Give me one logical reason for this!

     

    By the way, "Son of GOD" in Hebrew literally means "Servant of GOD".  Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm, and see the proofs for yourself.

     

     

    He wrote:

    We are left with only one choice, namely, that David’s Lord is none other than Yahweh God himself. And since Jesus is identified as that Lord whom David was addressing by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, this therefore proves that the Christian interpretation is the correct one. Psalm 110:1 is a very strong text supporting the Christian understanding that, a) God is multi-Personal, and b) that the Messiah is actually God!

    But there is still one final possibility that we must consider if we are going to be fair. David may have actually been addressing a specific Angel, namely the Angel of Yahweh whom we had mentioned earlier, the very One that happens to be God in essence and who often appeared in the OT as a man. If this were so, then this would mean that the Angel of Yahweh became an actual human being from David’s line which then made him both David’s Lord and David’s Son.

    This is actually the position we hold to, that David’s Son (whom the NT identifies as Jesus) in his prehuman existence appeared throughout the OT as the Angel of Yahweh, the very God who often appeared to the OT saints as a man. The difference with this specific Angel is that, unlike all the other angels, he isn’t a creature but the Creator God who assumed the function or role of an Angel or Messenger. Hence, this view would still mean that it wasn’t a mere angel or human whom David acknowledged as his Sovereign, but he was addressing his God who appeared in the form of an Angel and of a man.

    Thus, David’s Son is all three things simultaneously, i.e. he is God who functioned as an Angel or Messenger, who then became man by virtue of his being born from a virgin maiden by the power of the Holy Spirit!

    For more on the Angel being the pre-Incarnate Christ please consult this paper.

    Now someone may say that Jesus is merely a human being who was granted a higher rank than David, and therefore doesn’t prove that he is God. There are several problems with this explanation. First, Jesus’ question regarding this Psalm presupposes that the Christ is more than just a man:

    "Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, saying, ‘What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?’ They said to him, ‘The son of David.’ He said to them, ‘How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying, "The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet"? If then David calls him Lord, how is he his son?’ And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions." Matthew 22:41-46

    If the Christ were merely a man then he couldn’t be David’s Lord since the latter was his ancestor. In other words, Jesus is saying that David’s son couldn’t be his ancestor’s Lord since fathers are normally greater than their sons in position and authority.

    Second, it will not do to say that because the Messiah would be greater in glory he would therefore be superior to David, since this assumes that David’s son is his Lord by virtue of his rank. Jesus’ point is basically that the Messiah’s rank or prestige still wouldn’t make him David’s Lord if he were merely a human son. After all, Solomon was granted greater riches, glory and wisdom than his father without this ever making him Lord over his father. In a similar manner, the Messiah’s prestige and glory wouldn’t be grounds for his becoming David’s sovereign.

    Third, the NT documents teach that Jesus is God in essence, the very unique Son of God. Basically, this explains why David’s Son could be his Lord and supports our position that only One who is God could ever be sovereign over David.

    To summarize the data, we discovered that:

    1. According to the Lord Jesus and the NT writers David composed Psalm 110.
    2. David, in Psalm 110, addressed some unnamed entity as his Lord, as his Sovereign.
    3. Both the Lord Jesus and the NT documents also claim that David composed this Psalm about the Messiah. Hence, this is a Messianic Psalm composed about the greater David, the greater Solomon who was to come.
    4. According to the Hebrew Bible, there was no human ruler higher in rank and authority than David who could therefore be his sovereign.
    5. The Holy Bible also teaches that all of the kings sit/sat on God’s throne whereas angels do not, indicating that the former are/were greater than the latter.
    6. This would therefore imply that David could not have been addressing any angel as his Lord, forcing us to conclude that he was actually addressing Yahweh.
    7. Yet, since the Lord Jesus and his Apostles claimed that David was referring to the Christ, this means that the Christ (who is Jesus) is none other than Yahweh God himself.
    8. But the same Psalm says that Yahweh was addressing David’s Lord, which implies that there are actually two distinct individuals that exist as God.

    All scriptural quotations taken from the English Standard Version (ESV) of the Holy Bible, unless stated otherwise.


    Recommended Reading

    http://www.tektonics.org/guest/antianti.html#ten
    http://messianicart.com/chazak/yeshua/psalm110.htm


    A keen reader may say that our exegesis is based primarily on the NT interpretation of this particular Psalm and its view regarding the subordination of angels to God’s people. Thus, we may be accused of begging the question since the validity of our exegesis is dependent upon and presupposes the historical veracity and inspiration of the Christian Scriptures.

    Even though Christians are on very solid grounds for affirming the historical validity and inspiration of the NT canonical books, our exegesis doesn’t depend necessarily on the writings of the NT. The Hebrew Bible itself supports our position that David could not have been addressing a human being or an angel as his master or sovereign.

    In the following, we will provide several lines of evidence to support this premise. All scriptural quotations used in this section are taken from the Jewish Publication Society (JPS) version of the Hebrew Bible, 1917 edition, unless noted otherwise.

    First, the Hebrew text ascribes this Psalm to David:

    "A Psalm of David (leDavid mizmor). HaShem [lit., "the Name" which Orthodox Jews use in the place of Yahweh] saith unto my lord: ‘Sit thou at My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.’"

    Thus, it is David himself who composed this particular Psalm. Some try to argue that the Hebrew preposition le has various meanings such as to, for, by, in, or into. On this basis some would wish to translate the ascription as for or to David, not by or of David. The only problem with this position is that there is nothing contextually which leads one to take the preposition to mean other than that it was a Psalm composed personally by David.

    Some try to appeal to the Psalm 72:1,20 to justify that Psalm 110 is about David:

    "A Psalm for Solomon (li’shlomoh). O G-d, give your judgments to a king; and your righteousness to a king’s son… The prayers of David the son of Jesse are completed."

    Here the preposition is used in reference to a Psalm composed by David for Solomon, providing a basis for taking the preposition of Psalm 110:1 in a similar sense. The only problem with this argument is that Psalm 72 actually provides an argument against this view, it doesn’t support the claim being made.

    For instance, the only reason why the preposition is translated as for Solomon is because of what is stated at the conclusion of this Psalm, namely that this particular Psalm ends the prayers of David. In other words, it is because verse 20 seems to identify David as the composer of this particular Psalm that the preposition doesn’t mean that Solomon authored it. Had it not been for verse 20 we would have to assume that the preposition is identifying Solomon as its composer. Yet no such qualification or statement appears for Psalm 110.

    But besides all this, verse 20 still doesn’t necessarily justify taking the preposition of verse 1 as indicating that this Psalm was written for or about Solomon. It may in fact be a Psalm written by Solomon which was then included as part of the collection of prayers composed by his father. That is why some translations render 72:1 as being composed by Solomon:

    A Psalm of Solomon. Give the king Thy judgments, O G-d, and Thy righteousness unto the king's son;

    A Psalm of Solomon. Give the king Your judgments, O God, And Your righteousness to the king's son. NASB

    No matter what a person’s view maybe regarding Psalm 72, the point still remains that this Psalm doesn’t support rendering the ascription found in Psalm 110:1 as implying that it is about David, not by David.

    Second, the Hebrew Bible itself says that David and the other Israelite kings sat on God's throne, a point which we already saw above but which bears repeating:

    "My heart overflows with a pleasing theme; I address my verses to the king; my tongue is like the pen of a ready scribe. You are the most handsome of the sons of men; grace is poured upon your lips; therefore God has blessed you forever. Gird your sword on your thigh, O mighty one, in your splendor and majesty! In your majesty ride out victoriously for the cause of truth and meekness and righteousness; let your right hand teach you awesome deeds! Your arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; the peoples fall under you. Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness; you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions; your robes are all fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia. From ivory palaces stringed instruments make you glad; daughters of kings are among your ladies of honor; at your right hand stands the queen in gold of Ophir. Hear, O daughter, and consider, and incline your ear: forget your people and your father's house, and the king will desire your beauty. Since he is your lord, bow to him. The people of Tyre will seek your favor with gifts, the richest of the people… In place of your fathers shall be your sons; you will make them princes in all the earth. I will cause your name to be remembered in all generations; therefore nations will praise you forever and ever." Psalm 45:1-12, 16-17 ESV

    This Psalm is especially interesting because of what it says about the king. The king not only sits on God’s throne forever he is also identified as God! What this basically implies is that the king’s enthronement makes him God’s visible representative on earth whereby he acts in the place of God and therefore becomes God in a functional (not ontological) sense.

    "And David said to all the congregation: ‘Now bless HaShem your G-d.’ And all the congregation blessed HaShem, the G-d of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and prostrated themselves before HaShem, and before the king. And they sacrificed sacrifices unto HaShem, and offered burnt-offerings unto HaShem, on the morrow after that day, even a thousand bullocks, a thousand rams, and a thousand lambs, with their drink-offerings, and sacrifices in abundance for all Israel; and did eat and drink before HaShem on that day with great gladness. And they made Solomon the son of David king the second time, and anointed him unto HaShem to be prince, and Zadok to be priest. Then Solomon sat on the throne of HaShem as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel hearkened to him. And all the princes, and the mighty men, and all the sons likewise of king David, submitted themselves unto Solomon the king. And HaShem magnified Solomon exceedingly in the sight of all Israel, and bestowed upon him such royal majesty as had not been on any king before him in Israel." 1 Chronicles 29:20-25

    Third, we know from Psalms 2 and 89 (which we already looked at above) that David was preeminent over all human rulers who were supposed to submit to him. Notice what the second Psalm says:

    "Why are the nations in an uproar? And why do the peoples mutter in vain? The kings of the earth stand up, and the rulers take counsel together, against HaShem, and against His anointed (Messiah): ‘Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.’ He that sitteth in heaven laugheth, the L-rd hath them in derision. Then will He speak unto them in His wrath, and affright them in His sore displeasure: ‘Truly it is I that have established My king upon Zion, My holy mountain.’ I will tell of the decree: HaShem said unto me: ‘Thou art My son, this day have I begotten thee. Ask of Me, and I will give the nations for thine inheritance, and the ends of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.’ Now therefore, O ye kings, be wise; be admonished, ye judges of the earth. Serve HaShem with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Do homage in purity, lest He be angry, and ye perish in the way, when suddenly His wrath is kindled. Happy are all they that take refuge in Him." Psalm 2:1-12

    Now Psalm 2 isn’t necessarily limited to David, but also applies by extension to all of Israel’s righteous kings as the following passages show:

    "A Psalm of Solomon. Give the king Thy judgments, O G-d, and Thy righteousness unto the king's son; … May he have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the River unto the ends of the earth. Let them that dwell in the wilderness bow before him; and his enemies lick the dust. The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall render tribute; the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts. Yea, all kings shall prostrate themselves before him; all nations shall serve him." Psalm 72:1, 8-11

    "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion, shout, O daughter of Jerusalem; behold, thy king cometh unto thee, he is triumphant, and victorious, lowly, and riding upon an ass, even upon a colt the foal of an ass. And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off, and he shall speak peace unto the nations; and his dominion shall be from sea to sea, and from the River to the ends of the earth." Zechariah 9:9-10

    Thus, all peoples and their rulers are made subject to the Israelite kings, showing that no other human ruler could ever be sovereign over David or any of his sons, provided that they lived in covenant faithfulness. The only time a Gentile ruler would ever rule over one of Israel’s kings is during a time of punishment, i.e. that if the kings of Israel fail to honor and obey God then the Lord would hand them over to the Gentile rulers as punishment and judgment.

    Furthermore, we are never told anywhere in the Hebrew Bible that angels sit on God’s throne. A person may object and claim that the archangel Michael is said to be Israel’s prince:

    "Howbeit I will declare unto thee that which is inscribed in the writing of truth; and there is none that holdeth with me against these, except Michael your prince." Daniel 10:21

    "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time; and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproaches and everlasting abhorrence. And they that are wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn the many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." Daniel 12:1-3

    In actuality, these texts do not identify Michael as Israel’s king in the sense that he sits on God’s throne ruling over them. Rather, Michael is prince in the sense of being Israel’s defender, the one whom God assigned to fight for his covenant people. In other words, Michael is actually a servant sent to serve and defend God’s elect people, which is consistent with what Hebrews 1:14 says about the function of angels.

    More importantly, Daniel himself identifies the Messiah as the Ruler:

    "‘Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem unto one anointed (Messiah), a prince, shall be seven weeks; and for threescore and two weeks, it shall be built again, with broad place and moat, but in troublous times. And after the threescore and two weeks shall an anointed one (Messiah) be cut off, and be no more; and the people of a prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; but his end shall be with a flood; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment; and that until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon that which causeth appalment.’" Daniel 9:25-27

    Hence, by necessary inference and deduction we can easily conclude that even the Hebrew Bible agrees that no angel or man could be David's Lord with the exception of Yahweh.

    Fourth, given the numerous prophecies of the Messiah coming through David's line (Isa. 11:1 etc.), wouldn't that fact also make it inherently more probable that Psalm 110:1 is speaking of this predicted Messiah rather than (what would be) some obscure angel, the latter for which there is no known correlate?

    Interestingly, other Messianic references explicitly identify the Son of David as the human manifestation of God, that the Messiah bears the very Divine presence:

    "For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele [Wonderful]-joez [Counselor]-el [God]-gibbor [Mighty]-Abi [Father of]-ad [eternity]-sar [Prince]-shalom [Peace]; That the government may be increased, and of peace there be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it through justice and through righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of HaShem of hosts doth perform this." Isaiah 9:5-6 [6-7]

    "Behold, the days come, saith HaShem, that I will raise unto David a righteous shoot, and he shall reign as king and prosper, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called, HaShem [lit., Yahweh] is our righteousness." Jeremiah 23:5-6

    In these passages, the Son of David is called the Mighty God (el gibbor) and Yahweh is our righteousness! Hence, is it any wonder that David could refer to his own Son as his very Sovereign seeing that the latter is the human appearance of God on earth?

    Again, this presupposes that this is a Messianic Psalm, which all the evidence strongly points in that direction. In fact, this Messianic interpretation was held by many rabbis, as noted Bible expositor John Gill pointed out:

    till I make thine enemies thy footstool;
    till all the enemies of him, and his people, are subdued under him; carnal professors, as the Pharisees, and profane sinners, who neither of them would have him to rule over them; the world, the devil, antichrist, and all the powers of darkness, and the last enemy, death itself. That these words were spoken of the Messiah, and therefore pertinently cited, and properly applied to him, by Jesus, is evident from the silence of the Pharisees; for had it not been the generally received sense of the Jewish church, they would, at once, have objected it to him; which might, in some measure, have relieved them under that distress, into which they were brought by this passage proposed unto them: but by their silence they acknowledged, that the Psalm was wrote by David; that it was wrote by him under the inspiration of the Spirit of God; and that the Messiah was the subject of it. And the same is owned by some of their doctors, ancient, and modern.

    “Says R. Joden, in the name of R. Chijah, in time to come the holy blessed God will cause the king Messiah to sit at his right hand; as it is said, "the Lord said unto my Lord"... F6.”

    And the same says, R. Berachiah, in the name of R. Levi, elsewhere {g}. And, says, another of their writers F8,

    “we do not find any man, or prophet, whose birth was prophesied of before the birth of his father and mother, but Messiah our righteousness; and of him it is intimated, "from the womb of the morning"… i.e. before the womb of her that bore thee was created, thy birth was prophesied of: and this these words respect, "before the sun, his name is Yinnon", (Psalm 72:17), i. e. before the creation of the sun, the name of our Messiah was strong and firm, and he shall sit at the right hand of God; and this is what is said, "sit at my right hand".”

    In some writings of the Jews, esteemed by them, very ancient F9, the "Adon" or Lord, to whom these words are spoken, is interpreted of Messiah ben Joseph, whom they make to sit at the right hand of Abraham; which, though a false interpretation of the words, carries in it some marks and traces of the ancient sense of them: yea, even some of the more modern Jews F11 have owned, that they belong to the Messiah, and apply them to him. Though others, observing what confusion their forefathers were thrown into by Jesus, and what improvement his followers have made of this sense of the words since, have quitted it, and introduced strange and foreign ones. Some F12 of them would have Abraham the patriarch to be the subject of this Psalm; and that it was composed either by Melchizedek or by Eliezer, the servant of Abraham; or by David, on account of the victory Abraham obtained over the four kings, in rescuing his kinsman Lot: but Melchizedek could not be the author of it, because he was a far greater person than Abraham; he blessed him, and took tithes of him, and therefore would not call him Lord. Eliezer might indeed, as being his servant; but then he could not assign to him a seat at the right hand of God, or say of him, that he had an everlasting priesthood, after the order of Melchizedek: and though the Psalm was composed by David, yet not on the above account, for the same reasons. Nor is David the subject of it, as others F13 have affirmed; for it cannot be thought that David would say this of himself, or call himself his Lord, which this sense of the words makes him to do: and whereas others of them say, that it was wrote by one of the singers concerning him; it may be replied, that the title declares the contrary: besides, David is not ascended into heaven, nor is he set down at the right hand of God, nor had he any thing to do with the priesthood, much less was he a priest after the order of Melchizedek, and that for ever: but all is true of the Messiah Jesus, of whose kingdom and priesthood, sufferings, and exaltation, conquest of his enemies, and success of his Gospel, this whole Psalm is a very plain and manifest prophecy

    FOOTNOTES:

    F6 Midrash Tillira in Psal. xviii. 35. apud Galatin. de Cath. ver. arcan. l. 8. c. 24.
    F7 R. Moses Hadarsan in Gen. xviii. 1. apud ib.
    F8 R. Isaac Arama in Gen. xlvii. 6. spud ib. l. 3. c. 17.
    F9 Zohar in Num. fol. 99. 2. & Raya Mehimna, in ib. in Gen. fol. 37. 3.
    F11 R. Saadiah Gaon in Dan. vii. 13. Nachman. disp. cure Paulo. p. 36, 55.
    F12 Zohar in Gen. fol. 60. 3. Jarchi in Psal. cx. 1. Vet. Nizzachon, p. 179, 180.
    F13 Kimchi & Aben Ezra in Psal. cx. 1. R. Isaac Chizuk Emuna, par. 1. c. 40. p. 321.
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    After all, no one else besides Yahweh could be Lord over David and the Messiah is such a one for he is more than a mere man. As the above texts clearly testify, he is actually a Divine Being, the very human revelation of Yahweh God himself!

    The foregoing conclusively shows that even the Hebrew Bible is essentially in agreement with the teaching of the New Testament and our exegesis of Psalm 110:1.

     

     

    My response:

    The poor soul and blasphemous polytheist trinitarian pagan fails to realize that he must resort to twisted texts and conclusions to define and identify his trinity.  If trinity, Mr. Shamoun, was so clear in your bible, then Jesus would've clearly declared to be GOD Almighty.  Period.

    All of your nonsensical claims and conclusions above had been soundly debunked using both the Roman Catholics Encyclopedia and Biblical verses that soundly debunk your trinity lie about Jesus being equal to GOD Almighty.

    Again, no need for me to write a 50-page article/response full of nonsense like your article to go around and twist meanings and translations to ultimately reach bogus conclusion.  Jesus himself, my friend, made it clear that he is absolutely nothing when compared to GOD Almighty.  Like I wrote above:


    As I clearly proved from Hebrew in my article Do chapter Psalm 110 and Matthew 22:41-46 ("The LORD said to my Lord") prove that Jesus is the Creator of the Universe?, the text clearly means:

    "GOD (Yahweh) said to my master (Adoni)"

    Not "GOD said to my God" or "The LORD said to my Lord".  The literal translation for "Adoni" is MASTER!  Kings in the Bible were addressed as such.   Yes, Yahweh too was given this title, but like "El", and "Elohim", which also were given to every single believer in the Bible (which refutes the trinitarian lie about Isaiah 9:6 proving Jesus to be GOD for being called "El"), this title, "Adoni" is not unique to GOD Almighty!  The only unique title to GOD Almighty in the Bible is the compound name of Yahweh, which literally means "I am He"

    Even though the last quote above, "The LORD said to my Lord", would be correct as far as the English vocabularies are concerned, but because of the twisting of meanings and the evil word games that are done by the polytheist trinitarian pagans, this quote would then be further used by them to promote Jesus, the Messiah, to be GOD Almighty Himself, which is nothing but lies and blasphemy, despite the crystal clear following quotes that totally refute them:


    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/q_only_god_good_rebuttal.htm:

    As I mentioned in my other article about the Holy Spirit in Islam is a Creation of GOD Almighty, Jesus is not only "not good", but he also has the "Spirit of Fearing GOD Almighty" in him:

    Isaiah 11:1-3
    1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
    2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD
    (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
    3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

    As we see in Isaiah 11:1-3, there is:

    1-  Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding.

    2-  Spirit of Counsel and of power.

    3-  Spirit of Knowledge.

    4-  Spirit of the fear of the LORD.


    Also, the verses above say "and he will delight in the fear of the LORD", which clearly proves that Jesus is under GOD Almighty and can not be equivalent to Him or part of Him, because GOD Almighty has no fear in Him.  He Created fear, or the Spirit of Fear, and He installs it on whom ever He pleases.   But He Himself doesn't have that Spirit in Him!

    The verses above also say "He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;...", which further proves that Jesus is not part of GOD Almighty, because GOD Almighty Speaks and Hears whatever He Pleases!

    The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone.(From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

    ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 18:19)"

     

    If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

    I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.

     

    Also, another important point to notice in Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19 is the word "alone":   ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone.(From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

    ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 18:19)"

    Jesus in this verse is clearly giving exclusivity to GOD Almighty when he said "alone".  If Jesus was truly part of GOD Almighty and/or the trinity lie was true, then Jesus, to say the least, would not have said that.

     

    "Show me in the Bible where Jesus said he was not GOD!"

    I sometimes get asked by trinitarians to show them where Jesus said that he WAS NOT GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Ironically, it is like having this scenario:

    Q.  Show me where John Doe said that he was not the President of the United States!  Show me the quote now!!

    A.  He just said he works as a computer programmer you brainless idiot! :-)


    Jesus said he was not good.  He can't possibly say I am your Creator and by the way I am not good.  The question itself shows the complete ignorance about what's written in the bible and reveals the total blasphemy and darkness that polytheist trinitarian pagans are living in.

    Jesus is not GOD!  The GOD Almighty of the Old Testament BOASTS about Himself!  He countlessly reminds the Jews about Worshiping Him and only Him because He is the "One who took them out of Egypt", and He's the "One who Saved them from Pharaoh", etc...  Not only that, but He also Punishes to death anyone who profanes His Holy and Blessed Name.

    Jesus can not be this Holy and Mighty and Arrogant and Absolute GOD Almighty when he, for instance, escaped to Egypt for his life from King Herod!   The GOD Almighty's Divine Characteristics in the Old Testament can not in anyway fit Jesus who is not "good" and who runs for his life from a creation of GOD Almighty.

    For more information, please visit: Jesus had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our Creator?

     

    I have ample detailed refutations to the lie of trinity on my site.  You can further see them to clearly understand that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One and only One and not a unity or trinity as satan claims.


    Also visit:

    The early Christians rejected Trinity.   Early Christians had major problems and disagreements about who truly Jesus was and whether or not he got crucified or not.

    Early Christians' Doctrines confirm Jesus DID NOT GET crucified.  See proofs that the early Christians' scriptures during the 1st and 2nd centuries claimed that GOD Almighty Saved Jesus from crucifixion.

    The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the Old and New Testaments.    Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".


    Emanuel, Emmanuel, Yahshua, Yeshua, Yashua, Immanuel and Imanuel.  These were all "Godly" names given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  None of them is unique.   Only "Yahweh" was GOD Almighty's Unique Name.

     

    Also:

    If Jesus was GOD Almighty Himself, then why in Mark 13:32, he didn't even know about the Hour? 

    Mark 13
    32  "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but ONLY the Father.


    How am I supposed to interpret that?  That Jesus the "Adoni" is Yahweh Himself?? 

     

    Give me one logical reason for this!

     

    By the way, "Son of GOD" in Hebrew literally means "Servant of GOD".  Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm, and see the proofs for yourself.

      

      

      

      

    My Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.

    Rebuttals to Sam Shamoun's Articles section.

    Ask me any question section.

    What is the role of the Holy Spirit in Islam? Why can't we call it GOD?

    Errors and History of Contradictions and Corruption in the Bible.

    Christians are Commanded to follow the Old Testament.

    Allah, Islam, Quran, Muhammad questions and answers.

    What is the place of Jews, Christians and non-Muslims in Islam?

    Answering Trinity.

    "Allah" was GOD Almighty's Original Name in the Bible according to the Hebrew and Aramaic sources.

      

    See Also:

    The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22

    Jesus is Yahweh the Son?  See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT, using Jesus' words himself!
    Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?

    From: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:

      

    Father and Son Definitions:

    Definition of Key Terms (a discussion between me and a Christian):

    1-  What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible?  How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below)  How does the Bible really define it?

    2-  What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible? 

    3-  Jesus had to at least match Melchizedek in Miracles and  Power.  See this text-debate between me and a Christian brother.

    4-  Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus Yes it does.

      
      
    "Father" and "Son" in Islam and the Bible:

    5-  Is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22 No it isn't.  Here are some Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON":

    (a)-  Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى):

  • See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.  In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the following point.   

  • (b)-  FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا):

    We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8
    "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7
    Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23
    And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

    So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

    So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.

    Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203

      
    (c)-  BEGET = CHOSE:

    Regarding the following verse, and many others like it:

    King James Bible Psalm 2:7
    I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

    [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

    ‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

    [003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

    ‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

    [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

    ‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

    [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

    ‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

    [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

    ‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

    [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

    ‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

    [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

    ‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

    [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

    ‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

    Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

    1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

    2-  Wali - Guardian.

    In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

    [005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

    Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203.
      

    6-  Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1] [2].  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

               
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           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

      


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