Search and find articles and topics quickly and accurately!  See different advanced ways to search for articles on this site.

Further Topic Research:
Syntax help

Rebuttal to the so-called "Suckling Pornography" lie against Islam:

 

 

Before we proceed with his article, let us first look at the DARKNESS in his porn-full bible; the book of pedophilia, murder, TERRORISM, and women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine":

 

Terrorism in Islam?! (click here)
Let's look at the real terrorism in the Bible:

Pedophilia with
3-year old slave girls in the Bible!
Forcing 3-year old slave girls into sex during the Mosaic Law in the Bible! (click here)

Terror in the Bible by a number of Prophets! (click here)

Pregnant women will be ripped open! (click here)

The NT punishes children with death! (click here)

Terrorism:
"kill all the boys and non-virgin women"!
Also under the Mosaic Law! (click here)

Another killing all men, women, children and animals by Moses! (click here)

Another taking all women and children as spoils of war by Moses!
(click here)

Moses was a murderer before he became a Prophet! (click here)

Killing all of the "suckling infants" by the thousands by Saul! (click here)

Dashing little children against rocks in the book of Psalm!
Praising the dashing of little children against rocks as a form of revenge! (click here)

42 innocent children were killed using Wild Bears by Prophet Elisha!
Prophet Muhammad on the other hand loved children even those who threw stones at him in the city of Al-Ta'if. (click here)

Both equal: "Kill Righteous and the wicked"! (click here)

Maiming of the enemies' bodies under Moses' and David's Laws:
Cutting the hands and feet of the enemies in the Bible, and hanging their alive bodies on trees until they DIE.
(click here)

David's Selective Murders!
David so carelessly killed an innocent man for only telling him news.
(click here)

X-Rated Pornography in the Bible, by King Solomon!
Literally, women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", and brothers can "suck" their sisters' and lovers' privates!
(click here)

Fathers' fingers into their daughters' vaginas!
Under the Mosaic Law, fathers were allowed to do "Digital Defloration" to their daughters.
(click here)

Shutting the loud mouths of those who unjustly attack Islam, with Truth.

Aisha in Islam:

Let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she married our Prophet (CLICK HERE):

1-  See proofs, in the "Aisha being 9" article, from the Bible about little girls as young as 9 were married off and even sold off by their fathers as slave girls to men who were even older than their fathers.

2-  See also irrefutable proofs that pedophilia and terrorism exist in the Bible.  During the Mosaic times in the Bible's Old Testament, 3-year old slave girls were literally forced into sex under Moses' Orders and Command.  You sometimes have to read things twice to believe them!

See also: Maiming of the enemies' bodies in the Bible.   Cutting the hands and feet of the enemies in the Bible, and hanging their live bodies on trees until they DIE.

*** Killing of innocent children in the Bible.

*** X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.

*** Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible.


3-
  See also proofs how Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced.  The reason no one objected was:

  1. People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia.   They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum.  So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.

  2. Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries.

Please visit: The age of Aisha, girls similar to her in the Bible, and unbelievable pedophilia against 3-year old slave babies in the pedophilic Bible.

Also visit: Why Muta (temporary) Marriage was allowed and why it was discontinued.

 

 

 

Before we start, please don't forget to read Further rebuttals to Jim's hoax on "suckling porn in Islam" lie to see more rebuttals to Jim's bogus claims and lies about Islam.

Here is what a guy named Jim wrote:

Note:  My responses are preceded with "Osama- ".  Jim's writings are preceded with "Jim- ".

Jim- Muslim Book 008, Number 3424 (From the Book of Muslim):
' A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be eupon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: SUCKLE HIM. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man 'Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn 'Umar (the words are): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed.

Jim- Based on Mr. Abdallah this is obvious pornography along with sexual advances between unmarried people!!

Osama- Let us read more about the narration that Mr. Jim provided.  Below you will see that Salim was a YOUNG BOY who was granted a foster mother through breast feeding after he was freed from slavery.

From the Book of Muslim:

Osama- Book 008, Number 3425:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (puberty) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.

Osama- Book 008, Number 3426:
Ibn Abu Mulaika reported that al-Qasim b. Muhammad b. Abu Bakr had narrated to him that 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail b. 'Amr came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, Salim (the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa) is living with us in our house, and he has attained (puberty) as men attain it and has acquired knowledge (of the sex problems) as men acquire, whereupon he said: Suckle him so that he may become unlawful (in regard to marriage) for you He (Ibn Abu Mulaika) said: I refrained from (narrating this hadith) for a year or so on account of fear. I then met al-Qasim and said to him: You narrated to me a hadith which I did not narrate (to anyone) afterwards. He said: What is that? I informed him, whereupon he said: Narrate it on my authority that 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) had narrated that to me.

Osama- Book 008, Number 3427:
Umm Salama said to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her): A young boy who is at the threshold of puberty comes to you. I, however, do not like that he should come to me, whereupon 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) said: Don't you see in Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) a model for you? She also said: The wife of Abu Hudhaifa said: Messenger of Allah, Salim comes to me and now he is a (grown-up) person, and there is something that (rankles) in the mind of Abu Hudhaifa about him, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him (so that he may become your foster-child), and thus he may be able to come to you (freely).

Osama- Book 008, Number 3428:
Zainab daughter of Abu Salama reported: I heard Umm Salama, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him, saying to 'A'isha: By Allah, I do not like to be seen by a young boy who has passed the period of fosterage, whereupon she ('A'isha) said: Why is it so? Sahla daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger, I swear by Allah that I see in the face of Abu Hudhaifa (the signs of disgust) on account of entering of Salim (in the house), whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She (Sahla bint Suhail) said: He has a heard. But he (again) said: Suckle him, and it would remove what is there (expression of disgust) on the face of Abu Hudhaifa. She said: (I did that) and, by Allah, I did not see (any sign of disgust) on the face of Abu Hadhaifa.

Osama- What Mr. Jim here fell to notice is that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was protecting a mixed up society from fornication.  It was very easy to commit fornication among the Pagans and their traditions.  Our beloved Prophet was applying laws that would prevent sins from occurring.  He wanted to keep the Islamic society purified from the sexual sins.  

He was NOT promoting pornography as the Porn-full Bible does; the book of "women's vaginas and breasts taste like wine".  The book of "She wished if her lover was her biological brother so she wouldn't have to take him home in secret." etc...  These quotes are actually true facts that exist in the porn-full bible.  See the proof for yourself!

Also, don't forget to read Fathers can literally rape their daughters by inserting their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before their daughters' marriage in the Bible's Old Testament.

And while we're at it, don't forget to read The Jewish Holiest Book, the Talmud, allowed for men to have intercourse with their 3-year old captured slave-girls.  See the quotes and the proofs for yourself!

When the young boy suckled from Sahla bint Suhail, she became his foster mother.  Her daughters (if she had any) would become prohibited for him for marriage, because they became his foster sisters:

"Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-  (The Noble Quran, 4:23)"

Narrated Uqba bin Al-Harith:   "That he had married Um Yahya bint Abu Ihab. He said. "A black slave-lady came and said, 'I suckled you both.' I then mentioned that to the Prophet who turned his face aside." Uqba further said, "I went to the other side and told the Prophet about it. He said, 'How can you (keep her as your wife) when the lady has said that she suckled both of you (i.e. you and your wife?)" So, the Prophet ordered him to divorce her.  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Witnesses, Volume 3, Book 48, Number 827)"

Narrated 'Uqba bin Al-Harith:   "I married a woman and later on a woman came and said, "I suckled you both." So, I went to the Prophet (to ask him about it). He said, "How can you (keep her as a wife) when it has been said (that you were foster brother and sister)? Leave (divorce) her.  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Witnesses, Volume 3, Book 48, Number 828)"

This is further verified by more Sayings and Narrations at the end of this article.

Also, if you notice in narration #8.3426 above, you would see that Salim, the freed slave, was actually LIVING in the same house as Sahla bint Suhail, who became his foster mother by breast feeding him.

Also, if you notice in narrations #8.3425 and 3426 above, you would also see that Sahla started feeling uncomfortable with Salim, the freed slave, after he reached "puberty (in the dictionary it means: 'boyhood, youth and maturing')"So, Salim was a YOUNG BOY who was granted a foster mother through breast feeding after he was freed from slavery.

As to in the narration 8.3424 above, the only possible Arabic words for "grown-up man" who at the same time just reached his "puberty" are "Fatan Balegh" where the "n" at the end is a pronunciation of an Arabic punctuation for the word "Fata", or "Ghulam Balegh".  "man" here is a mistranslation, because "fatan" and "Ghulam" both literally mean either a "fellow" or a "kid" depending on how the person is referenced.  The word "Balegh" literally means: (1) Grown-up; (2) Passed child-hood as a child starts showing signs of man-hood from his actions.

The word "man" was used for young kids back then and is still used today.  Notice however in the narrations above, the word "man" was not always used for Salim, the young boy and the freed slave who had no family.   "Fellow" or "kid" are the more accurate translation for our understanding of child-hood and man-hood today.

He WAS NOT a grown up man whom the Prophet wanted for him to have sexual relationship with Sahla as it was mistranslated in only ONE English-translated narration and contradicted in the several other English-translated narrations as Jim so bogusly claims above! 

Jim so obviously ignoring the several other narrations and sticking with one inaccurate translation only suggests that he is only desperately seeking to find anything bad or looks bad in Islam to justify the obvious and irrefutable X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.

There is no pornography proven in Islam.

 

Jim-The problem with Mr. Abdallah's conclusion is that none of these hadith refer anyway to any laws to keep people from fornication.

1. How does sucking a woman's breast stop you from fornication?
2. If this does keep people from fornication then why is it that Solomon and his wife description of this making people go to fornication?
3. To purify Islamic society one must go suck an unmarried woman's breast upon the prophets command?

Jim- Mr. Abdallah says this didn't happen, the Hadith says that it didn't, hence I find Mr. Abdallah trying to play word games and manipulations to cover up his obvious blunders. He continues with more Hadiths dealing with suckling infants, but Aisha herself said that HE IS A GROWN UP MAN.

Osama- First of all, as to keeping people away from fornication in Islam, please visit What is the punishment for fornication and adultery in Islam?

Second, as to Jim's questions above, here is my response to them:

1- It's not about "sucking a woman's breast".  The young boy (as was proven above that he was indeed a "young boy") was living with Sahla and her family.  She was treating him as her son at first when he was a baby, but then she started feeling uncomfortable from him because he no longer was a baby.  So our Prophet peace be upon him created that mother-child relationship between them.

Don't forget that Salim, the young boy, was a freed slave who had no family!   Living with Sahla and her family was the only choice available to him at that time.

2- As to the porn-full bible, first of all, the King James Version Historians and Theologians clearly admit that the porn-full book of Song of Songs was NOT talking about Solomon and his wife.  It was talking about lovers, and NOT a husband and a wife.  

Second, she wished if her "lover" was her biological brother nursed at her "mother's breasts" so she wouldn't have to take him home in secret to have sex with him.  How can this be a husband-wife relationship?  Please visit X-Rated Pornography in the Bible for more details and proofs.

3- No, it is not about "sucking women's breasts" to purify the Islamic society.  What you are missing is that (1) Salim was a young boy and a freed slave with no family; (2) Our Prophet helped Sahla become his "foster" mother.

As to how would this then should prevent him from fanaticizing about his foster mother, well, if you would fantasize about your own mother, or your own sister as your porn-full bible clearly allows you as shown above in answer #2, then you are simply a sick person!  There would be then no need for any religion to purify you, because no religion or way of life will succeed.

Third, as to Jim's comment after his questions above, only in narration 8.3424 above we see the translation of the word "man" used for Salim.   The rest of the translations, 8.3425 through 8.3427, in which 8.3425 was also Aisha's, the word "man" was not used for Salim. 

The mistranslation of the word "man" for narration 8.3424 above took place, because the word "man" can be used sometimes for young kids, even today.  Perhaps, the translators saw no problem in using the word "man" without paying a close attention to it. 

Have the word "man" been used in all of the translations and narrations above, then we would have nothing to argue about here Mr. Jim.   But your obvious desperate point to falsely prove pornography in Islam is very weak.

As I mentioned above, the only possible Arabic words for "grown-up man" who at the same time just reached his "puberty" are "Fatan Balegh" where the "n" at the end is a pronunciation of an Arabic punctuation for the word "Fata", or "Ghulam Balegh".  "man" here is a mistranslation, because "fatan" and "Ghulam" both literally mean either a "fellow" or a "kid" depending on how the person is referenced.  The word "Balegh" literally means: (1) Grown-up; (2) Passed child-hood as a child starts showing signs of man-hood from his actions.

The word "man" was used for young kids back then and is still used today.  Notice however in the narrations above, the word "man" was not always used for Salim, the young boy and the freed slave who had no family.   "Fellow" or "kid" are the more accurate translation for our understanding of child-hood and man-hood today.

He WAS NOT a grown up man whom the Prophet wanted for him to have sexual relationship with Sahla as it was mistranslated in only ONE English-translated narration and contradicted in the several other English-translated narrations as Jim so bogusly claims above! 

 

Jim- Here is more:

Muslim Book 008, Number 3421:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims).

Muslim Book 008, Number 3422:
'Amra reported that she beard 'A'isha (Allah he pleased with her) discussing fosterage which (makes marriage) unlawful; and she ('A'isha) said: There was revealed in the Holy Qur'an ten clear sucklings, and then five clear (sucklings).

Jim- According to Muhammad's own wife the Holy Quran revealed 10 breast sucklings and then later on it was abrogated to two. Hence according to Mr. Abdallah this must be pornography! This is another strong reason why orthodox Muslims such as Hasim quickly reject Mr. Abdallah's point as being propogandic and totally misrepresented. Muhammad even said that breast sucking (note that he let Aisha do it to someone note even married to her) didn't make any marriage unlawful.

Osama- First of all, our Prophet didn't let his wife Aisha breast feed anyone.  Where did you get this bogus lie from?!  The above narrations that you provided certainly don't suggest that!  Aisha never even gave birth before!   So how in the world would it be possible for her to breast feed anyone?! 

Purposely lying only shows how desperate and deceptive you are Mr. Jim. 

Second, what you don't know in Islam is that any two who were nursed at the same breast are NOT ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED in Islam, even if they were complete strangers.  They are considered "foster siblings", and they are prohibited from marrying each others.  This is further verified below with more Narrations from our beloved Prophet peace be upon him.

Again Mr. Jim, there is no proof of any pornography in Islam.

Jim- Muslim Book 008, Number 3419:
Umm Fadl (Allah be pleased with her) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) having said this: One or two sucklings do not make (the marriage) unlawful.

Muslim Book 008, Number 3420:
Umm Fadl (Allah be pleased with her) reported that a person asked Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him): Does one suckling make (the marriage) unlawful? HE SAID: NO.

Osama- Here our Prophet was asked as to how many times should the two infants suckle before they become "foster siblings"?

Osama- This is further supported by the following Sayings of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him:

From the Book of Muslim:

Osama- Book 008, Number 3415:
Umm al-Fadl reported: A bedouin came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) when he was in my house and said: Allah's Apostle, I have had a wife and I married another besides her, and my first wife claimed that she had suckled once or twice my newly married wife, thereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: One suckling or two do not make the (marriage) unlawful.

Osama- Book 008, Number 3400:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Zuhri with the same chain of transmitters (that 'A'isha said): There came Aflah, the brother of Abu'l Qulais (Allah be pleased with him), and sought permission from her, the rest of the hadith is the same (except for the words that the Holy Prophet) said:" He is your uncle. Let your hand be besmeared with dust. Abu'l Qulais was the husband of the woman who had suckled 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her).

Osama- Book 008, Number 3399:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that there came Aflah the brother, of Abu'l-Qu'ais, who sought her permission (to enter) after seclusion was instituted, and AbuQu'ais was the father of 'A'isha by reason of fosterage. 'A'isha said: By Allah, I would not permit Aflah unless I have solicited the opinion of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) for Abu Qulais has not suckled me, but his wife has given me suck. 'A'isha' (Allah be pleased with her) said: When Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) entered, I said: Allah's Messenger, Aflah is the brother of Abu'l-Qulais; he came to me to seek my permission for entering (the house). I did not like the idea of granting him permission until I had solicited your opinion. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Grant him permission. 'Urwa said it was on account of this that 'A'isha used to say. What is unlawful by reason of consanguinity is unlawful by reason of fosterage.

Osama- Book 008, Number 3401:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: My foster uncle came to me and sought permission (to enter the house), but I refused him permission until I had solicited the opinion of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). When Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came, I said to him: My foster-uncle sought my permission to (enter the house), but I did not permit him, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: You better admit your uncle (into the house). I ('A'isha) said: It was the woman who suckled me and not the man. (But he) said: He is your uncle, admit him.

Osama- Book 008, Number 3406:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Aflah b. Qu'ais sought permission from me (to enter the house), but I refused to grant him the permission, and he sent me (the message saying): I am your uncle (in the sense) that the wife of my brother has suckled you, (but still) I refused to grant him permission. There came the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and I made a mention of it to him, and he said: He can enter (your house), for he is your uncle.

Osama- Book 008, Number 3412:
Umm Habiba, the daughter of AbuSufyan, reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to me and I said to him: Have you any inclination towards the daughter of Abu Sufyan? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Then what should I do? I said: Marry her. He said: Do you like that? I said: I am not the exclusive (wife) of yours; I, therefore, wish to join my sister in good. He, said: She is not lawful for me. I said: I have been informed that you have given the proposal of marriage to Durrah daughter of Abu Salama He raid: You mean the daughter of Umm Salama? I said: Yes. He said: Even if she had not been my step-daughter brought up under my guardianship, she would not have been lawful for me, for she is the daughter of my foster-brother (Hamza), for Thuwaiba had suckled me and her father. So do not give me the proposal of the marriage of your daughters and sisters. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Hisham with the same chain of transmitters. 

 

Further sites to research:

X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.

X-Rated Pornography in Islam?

Fathers are literally allowed to stick their fingers into their own daughters' vaginas in the Bible before the daughters get married.

Raping girls at the age of 3 is allowed in the Jewish Holiest Book, the Thalmud.

What is the punishment for rape in Christianity and Islam?  See how the Bible tolerates it and even indirectly promotes it to happen to single women.

Contradicting errors even in Porn in the Bible.  

History of man's corruption in the Bible.  The Bible was not even written by the Prophets of GOD and the Disciples of Jesus.

Christianity is the cause of our social corruptions today.

Women rights in Christianity?

Response to the so called "Pornography" in the Noble Quran.

Church Priests/Ministers who changed their sex and still preach in their Churches.

Priests with the AIDS.

Women and Maidens in Paradise according to Islam.  How will women live in Paradise, and will they have companions?

If the husband rapes his wife, is that a sin in Islam?  Is there any answers to this in the Quran?

Homosexual Marriage in Islam?

Further rebuttals to Jim's hoax on "suckling porn in Islam" lie.


Send your comments.

Back to Main Page.